R211 Discussion Thread

[R32 3838]

42 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The r32's were in worst shape than the r46's. 

The best course of action at this point is to give the worst performing r46's a break during the weekends.

The NQ can use all the r68's from the B. The AC will need to use all their r179's and borrow trains from ENY and Jamaica. Keep in that the M hasn't been running during the weekends and the J is barely running in Manhattan during the weekends. Therefore, those unused NTTs can be put on the C during the weekends.

The reason the R46s are not preforming well is because they retired the R32s when they were there to bridge the gap. Now that they are gone and the R46s are on the , Spare factor took a hit. then the R46s going to Coney is another hit because they run 24/7 on the lines with the R68s.

 

The at least have the R179s but that's barely enough since its only 130 cars and 100 cars are used out of that 130.

 

R32s even though they had their issues were retired due to politics. If the R211s weren't delayed again and they started in service next month, This would be a non issue.

The R32s were on reserve until those R211s touched property, Once that happened got too confident and decided to officially retire the R32s and not train new hires on them. Now with these delays and everything else, They are looking really really dumb right now since they have to figure out how to keep the R46s reliable and worry about the SI R44s which are shot to shit.

[darkstar8983]

On 6/28/2022 at 11:52 AM, R32 3838 said:

Those R179s are staying, They are in the process of getting CBTC kits installed. The only thing that would happen is pitkin's 130 cars move to 207th st yard to bump out the 8 car units to ENY if they are still going with that plan.

Ohhh ok. In theory the  and  can run both R179s and R211s, long as the 8-car ones are transferred to ENY before any 10-car R179s run on the , otherwise we will be hearing “breaking news” stories about how people leaning against the train door falling into the tunnel because the train stopped at the wrong location and the CR board lined up incorrectly 

[subwaycommuter1983]

10 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

The reason the R46s are not preforming well is because they retired the R32s when they were there to bridge the gap. Now that they are gone and the R46s are on the , Spare factor took a hit. then the R46s going to Coney is another hit because they run 24/7 on the lines with the R68s.

 

The at least have the R179s but that's barely enough since its only 130 cars and 100 cars are used out of that 130.

 

R32s even though they had their issues were retired due to politics. If the R211s weren't delayed again and they started in service next month, This would be a non issue.

The R32s were on reserve until those R211s touched property, Once that happened got too confident and decided to officially retire the R32s and not train new hires on them. Now with these delays and everything else, They are looking really really dumb right now since they have to figure out how to keep the R46s reliable and worry about the SI R44s which are shot to shit.

Let's cross our fingers that we don't end up with a car shortage like in DC.

A car shortage in the B division will also impact the A division because a lot of riders will jam pack the number lines in order to avoid riding the letter lines, which will cause the number lines to run slower.

[Storm]

On 6/29/2022 at 11:14 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Let's cross our fingers that we don't end up with a car shortage like in DC.

A car shortage in the B division will also impact the A division because a lot of riders will jam pack the number lines in order to avoid riding the letter lines, which will cause the number lines to run slower.

The , being the , will probably think that both options will be enough to retire a part of the fleet, which will cause an even larger shortage. 

[Amiri the subway guy]

On 6/29/2022 at 11:14 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Let's cross our fingers that we don't end up with a car shortage like in DC.

A car shortage in the B division will also impact the A division because a lot of riders will jam pack the number lines in order to avoid riding the letter lines, which will cause the number lines to run slower.

I swear if the MTA gets scrap happy with the R68s it will clearly proof that they learned nothing from the mistakes with the R160s R30s R32s and R44s. I too hope we won’t have to deal with YET ANOTHER CAR SHORTAGE. But wouldn’t we than have a surplus of cars if the R68s stay

[T to Dyre Avenue]

8 hours ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

I swear if the MTA gets scrap happy with the R68s it will clearly proof that they learned nothing from the mistakes with the R160s R30s R32s and R44s. I too hope we won’t have to deal with YET ANOTHER CAR SHORTAGE. But wouldn’t we than have a surplus of cars if the R68s stay

It’s possible. But it might buy us some time in the event the MTA really is broke a couple years from now, instead of “crying broke” like they’ve done so many times before, in spite of having a budget that almost every other North American transit authority/district can only dream of.

I’ll be happy as long as the R211s are reliable and there are enough to replace all of the R46s and SI R44s. Because expecting the 1970s cars to last another decade in service might just be expecting too much. I’m not going to speculate about where they should be assigned, because there’s been more than enough of that in this thread already. But I will say that if some of the cars in the 640-car option order go to the  line, then its R68s can be sent to CI, putting all of the R68s in one yard, which in turn ought be enough to send the CI R46s off to the big subway yard in the sky. 

[R68ACTrain]

I’m just reading all of these comments, some of you guys are speaking of new trains going to Coney Island just for the . To the people saying this, you guys are forgetting that Concourse and Coney Island share the . Especially when Concourse sees new trains, the  will be Concourse full time. It doesn’t make any sense for Coney Island to receive a piece of R160s or R211s for just the . It is most likely that Coney Island is going to be strictly R46-68/A when the R211s run on the  . Also with these CBTC delays, the  is gonna be in huge trouble financial wise, Subway car wise, and fleet wise. 

[Vulturious]

1 hour ago, R68ACTrain said:

I’m just reading all of these comments, some of you guys are speaking of new trains going to Coney Island just for the . To the people saying this, you guys are forgetting that Concourse and Coney Island share the . Especially when Concourse sees new trains, the  will be Concourse full time. It doesn’t make any sense for Coney Island to receive a piece of R160s or R211s for just the . It is most likely that Coney Island is going to be strictly R46-68/A when the R211s run on the  . Also with these CBTC delays, the  is gonna be in huge trouble financial wise, Subway car wise, and fleet wise. 

To a certain extent, the  is shared between Concourse and Coney Island. However, the  doesn't use the 's Concourse fleet outside of Rush Hours and vice versa with the  for Coney Island's fleet. The  is kept 100% R68/A's because it makes it easier for Concourse to maintain if anything happens or is in need of maintenance. They won't do anything else with the 's fleet because that's CIY's job.

[R32 3838]

2 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

I’m just reading all of these comments, some of you guys are speaking of new trains going to Coney Island just for the . To the people saying this, you guys are forgetting that Concourse and Coney Island share the . Especially when Concourse sees new trains, the  will be Concourse full time. It doesn’t make any sense for Coney Island to receive a piece of R160s or R211s for just the . It is most likely that Coney Island is going to be strictly R46-68/A when the R211s run on the  . Also with these CBTC delays, the  is gonna be in huge trouble financial wise, Subway car wise, and fleet wise. 

Concourse only stores trains, NOT maintain them. Coney Island Maintains the fleet. It would make sense to have the share a fleet of tech trains since Astoria is back on the table for CBTC. Go back a few posts and it's explained why Concourse can't handle the and together. It was only rumored that the was moving to Concourse but that's put to bed now that Astoria will also get CBTC in the future. By the time Astoria CBTC starts, It's likely the R68 replacements will be finalized or will start coming in. This is why i said it makes sense for CI to get the R160s back.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

4 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

Concourse only stores trains, NOT maintain them. Coney Island Maintains the fleet. It would make sense to have the share a fleet of tech trains since Astoria is back on the table for CBTC. Go back a few posts and it's explained why Concourse can't handle the and together. It was only rumored that the was moving to Concourse but that's put to bed now that Astoria will also get CBTC in the future. By the time Astoria CBTC starts, It's likely the R68 replacements will be finalized or will start coming in. This is why i said it makes sense for CI to get the R160s back.

I assume whenever the time comes to equip Astoria with CBTC, there will also be plans to equip the main Broadway Line between 57th and Canal streets too, yes? Seems a bit odd to equip Astoria by itself since it the only B-Division trunk line it connects to is Broadway, no?

[R32 3838]

3 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

I assume whenever the time comes to equip Astoria with CBTC, there will also be plans to equip the main Broadway Line between 57th and Canal streets too, yes? Seems a bit odd to equip Astoria by itself since it the only B-Division trunk line it connects to is Broadway, no?

 

This is all in the MTA capital program, Its stupid. They want to do it between Astoria and 57th and 7th.

[trainfan22]

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[Kamen Rider]

Okay, lets look at this logically.

 

the R211s are going to be CBTC ready at launch.

 

They are supposed to be ready in time for the first phase of the 8th avenue Line to get CBTC.

 

That first phase is south of 59th street to High Street,

 

This would mean one of two possible things for the first trains on the 211 order.

 

They are straight up swapping out the R46s on the A and C.

Or they are going to go to Queens Blvd and the R160s on QB will take over the A and C. 

 

The entire discussion about the B does nothing.

[R68ACTrain]

14 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Concourse only stores trains, NOT maintain them. Coney Island Maintains the fleet. It would make sense to have the share a fleet of tech trains since Astoria is back on the table for CBTC. Go back a few posts and it's explained why Concourse can't handle the and together. It was only rumored that the was moving to Concourse but that's put to bed now that Astoria will also get CBTC in the future. By the time Astoria CBTC starts, It's likely the R68 replacements will be finalized or will start coming in. This is why i said it makes sense for CI to get the R160s back.

I know they only store them, never said maintain. Thats why I said when Concourse sees new trains, the  may be switched to Concourse full time for CBTC purposes.

[subwaycommuter1983]

3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Okay, lets look at this logically.

 

the R211s are going to be CBTC ready at launch.

 

They are supposed to be ready in time for the first phase of the 8th avenue Line to get CBTC.

 

That first phase is south of 59th street to High Street,

 

This would mean one of two possible things for the first trains on the 211 order.

 

They are straight up swapping out the R46s on the A and C.

Or they are going to go to Queens Blvd and the R160s on QB will take over the A and C. 

 

The entire discussion about the B does nothing.

The base order of r211A's will go to the A/C. It's pretty much confirmed.

Since 8th Avenue CBTC covers 59th Street and 6th Avenue is also getting CBTC, the B and D will need NTTs. R68's or other SMEE's cannot run on CBTC lines.

Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the first option order of r211A's. As for the B, it will all depends on how many r211A's are built in the first option order. Keep in mind that 207 will need some of the first option order of r211A's to displace the 8 car r179's and make the C and G full length.

If the 1st option order consists of purely r211A's, then those trains will go to 207 (C), Concourse (D), CIY (B).

On the other hand, if the 1st option order includes a good number of r211T's, then 207 and Concourse will get the r211A's, while Jamaica gets the r211T's displacing some of it's r160's to the B.

 

Edited July 3, 2022 by subwaycommuter1983

[Amiri the subway guy]

8 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The base order of r211A's will go to the A/C. It's pretty much confirmed.

Since 8th Avenue CBTC covers 59th Street and 6th Avenue is also getting CBTC, the B and D will need NTTs. R68's or other SMEE's cannot run on CBTC lines.

Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the first option order of r211A's. As for the B, it will all depends on how many r211A's are built in the first option order. Keep in mind that 207 will need some of the first option order of r211A's to displace the 8 car r179's and make the C and G full length.

If the 1st option order consists of purely r211A's, then those trains will go to 207 (C), Concourse (D), CIY (B).

On the other hand, if the 1st option order includes a good number of r211T's, then 207 and Concourse will get the r211A's, while Jamaica gets the r211T's displacing some of it's r160's to the B.

 

The  could all share R160s with each other as there’s 1,290 cars of 5 set R160s

[Amiri the subway guy]

Meanwhile the  gets the R211As 

R211Ts go to   
 

The R68s and R68As will still be kept in storage for failsafe measures

[subwaycommuter1983]

3 minutes ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

The  could all share R160s with each other as there’s 1,290 cars of 5 set R160s

It is unlikely that the MTA will build 1,290 open gangway trains. Therefore, Jamaica will keep a good chunk of the r160's.

[subwaycommuter1983]

17 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

This is all in the MTA capital program, Its stupid. They want to do it between Astoria and 57th and 7th.

It is stupid and biased.

Notice how the MTA made a big scandal when they were fixing the L train tunnel. The MTA even added a SBS on 14th street. 🤦

Notice how N/W riders are now kicking and screaming like babies because they don't have the r160's, while A/C riders have been stuck with the oldest fleets in the system for decades. 🤦

And if something happens in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan nobody says anything.

The MTA better stick with its plan of installing CBTC on 6th Avenue because the people in the Bronx and Upper Manhattan pay the same fare as the people in Astoria. Plus it's the most logical thing to do after 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

 

[CenSin]

36 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

It is stupid and biased.

Notice how the MTA made a big scandal when they were fixing the L train tunnel. The MTA even added a SBS on 14th street. 🤦

Notice how N/W riders are now kicking and screaming like babies because they don't have the r160's, while A/C riders have been stuck with the oldest fleets in the system for decades. 🤦

And if something happens in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan nobody says anything.

The MTA better stick with its plan of installing CBTC on 6th Avenue because the people in the Bronx and Upper Manhattan pay the same fare as the people in Astoria. Plus it's the most logical thing to do after 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

 

Does CBTC even help Astoria when it’s only installed in Astoria? The choke points are all railroad south of Queensboro Plaza. If they really wanted to help, they’d install CBTC from 59 Street–Columbus Circle/Queensboro Plaza/Queens Plaza to Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center.

[Amiri the subway guy]

40 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

It is stupid and biased.

Notice how the MTA made a big scandal when they were fixing the L train tunnel. The MTA even added a SBS on 14th street. 🤦

Notice how N/W riders are now kicking and screaming like babies because they don't have the r160's, while A/C riders have been stuck with the oldest fleets in the system for decades. 🤦

And if something happens in the Bronx or Upper Manhattan nobody says anything.

The MTA better stick with its plan of installing CBTC on 6th Avenue because the people in the Bronx and Upper Manhattan pay the same fare as the people in Astoria. Plus it's the most logical thing to do after 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

 

Look at least it’s not like the bitchy ass  riders and Malcom smith with the R32s R40Ms and R46s. Furthermore CBTC on Astoria should be consider. In my suggestion I kept the R68s for failsafe reasons through on 2028 it’s say to have all CBTC trains by then. With the ongoing car shortage I wished the MTA kept some R38s and R32 Phase 2s. The  tunnel cancellation was done to appease whiny impatient Williamburg communters. Now it will have to be fixed again in 5-10 years instead of the 50 year time frame if they just gotten it over with. 
 

1620 R211s should be enough to share on the  

[R179 8258]

Astoria CBTC is on the table but it’s not going to be done for a WHILE ! Why people keep excusing the fact that other lines like 6th Ave , Culver , Crosstown and Lexington have way more priority that Astoria. 

Edited July 3, 2022 by R179 8258

[Storm]

3 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

Astoria CBTC is on the table but it’s not going to be done for a WHILE ! Why people keep excusing the fact that other lines like 6th Ave , Culver , Crosstown and Lexington have way more priority that Astoria. 

It’s stupid that the MTA didn’t consider doing CBTC on the whole of broadway. Broadway, in my opinion, needs CBTC more than Astoria. My take. Carry on.

[subwaycommuter1983]

4 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

Astoria CBTC is on the table but it’s not going to be done for a WHILE ! Why people keep excusing the fact that other lines like 6th Ave , Culver , Crosstown and Lexington have way more priority that Astoria. 

CBTC should be done based on ridership, not on the neighborhoods that subway lines serve.

The NW have less ridership than the A,D, E, F, 4 and 5 trains. Like I said before, people who live in low income neighborhoods like the Bronx, Harlem, Washington Heights pay the same fare as the people in Astoria. I don't think it's fair that the MTA continues to neglect subway lines and stations that serve low income neighborhoods.

If the MTA wants to install CBTC on Astoria, then they should do it on the whole Broadway line after 8th Avenue and 6th Avenue CBTC is done. Keep in mind that only the Q, R trains get rerouted via 6th Avenue and the R already has NTTs.

[JayJay85]

8 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

It is unlikely that the MTA will build 1,290 open gangway trains. Therefore, Jamaica will keep a good chunk of the r160's.

 are getting the base order of R211A's for sure, some R179 8cars will likely be move from the  to other lines such as  could allow the  be 8 car train

R211A option could go to the  and  if they go to the  those same R211's could show up on  and  on weekends when  is not running.

The rest of the option of R211's go to the