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Systemwide CBTC - Planning and Implementation

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I think everyone forgot what was actually presented to the public.

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First 5 Years

4, 5, 6 – 149 St-Grand
Concourse to Nevins St

E, F, M, R – Jamaica 179
St and Jamaica Center
Parsons Archer to 50 St

F – Church Av to West 8
St NY Aquarium

A, C, E – Columbus Circle
to Jay St MetroTech

G – Court Sq to Hoyt
Schermerhorn

7 – Flushing Main St to
34 St-Hudson Yards COMPLETE

 

Next 5 Years 

1, 2, 3 – Jackson Av to
Atlantic Av – Barclays Ctr

B, D, F, M – 59 St Columbus Circle and 21 St Queensbridge to Dekalb Av and Jay St MetroTech

A, C – Jay St MetroTech to Ozone Park Lefferts Blvd

A, S – Rockaway Blvd to Far Rockaway Mott Av and Rockaway Park Beach 116 St

N, Q, R, W – Queensboro Plaza to Dekalb Av

 

In none of this is CPW included, and CBTC on Broadway will be completed at around the same time as 6 Av CBTC. In fact, according to Cuomo, we might even use UWB, and like @VIP said we don't know if this plan will change or not. 

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If they want to launch CBTC on Lexington, wouldnt that require shutting down the main corridor?

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46 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

If they want to launch CBTC on Lexington, wouldnt that require shutting down the main corridor?

Possibly might be in activating the Local and Express blocks independently.

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I know it's considered a joke that the MTA is just now updating to Windows 10, but in reality that's par for the course with any large company. Very few businesses will upgrade to the latest operating system until a couple of major service pack updates are released. Hell, until fairly recently, most major companies were still using Windows XP and have upgraded for Windows 7 / 10 because legacy support for XP finally ended.

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8 hours ago, Lance said:

I know it's considered a joke that the MTA is just now updating to Windows 10, but in reality that's par for the course with any large company. Very few businesses will upgrade to the latest operating system until a couple of major service pack updates are released. Hell, until fairly recently, most major companies were still using Windows XP and have upgraded for Windows 7 / 10 because legacy support for XP finally ended.

If we're going to talk about upgrading to Windows 10, then literally the only reason to do so is for support (the competent 7 is going to be orphaned soon, so it won't make sense to bother with it).

I'm anticipating a lot of problems because of it...

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STUPID UWB and Stupid AWS!

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This is the most important one. I hope that the report is made public. @RR503

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43 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

This is the most important one. I hope that the report is made public. @RR503

 

Me too. It'll probably identify dwell times, some power issues, and terminal ops in the 111-Flushing area as the constraints. Hopefully those recommendations are acted upon. 

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5 minutes ago, RR503 said:

Me too. It'll probably identify dwell times, some power issues, and terminal ops in the 111-Flushing area as the constraints. Hopefully those recommendations are acted upon. 

You think they would have thought about this before starting the CBTC project. Same for the current capacity improvement projects on the (L).

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1 minute ago, Union Tpke said:

You think they would have thought about this before starting the CBTC project. Same for the current capacity improvement projects on the (L).

Yup. If you'll note, the Canarsie line structures contract is being destroyed by Cuomo's (L) shenanigans -- cost expected to nearly double.

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190624_1430_CPOC.pdf#page=72

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4 minutes ago, RR503 said:

Yup. If you'll note, the Canarsie line structures contract is being destroyed by Cuomo's (L) shenanigans -- cost expected to nearly double.

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190624_1430_CPOC.pdf#page=72

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EDIT: I was going to post this anyway, but wasn't sure where.

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@RR503 Do you know what this is referring to?

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Automatic Route Setting (ARS) will be implemented to enhance train management function.

What is your thought of the UWB pilots?

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16 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

@RR503 Do you know what this is referring to?

What is your thought of the UWB pilots?

Where is that quote from? Sounds like they’re referring to the ‘implement ATS’ phase of ISIM-B.

If they can get UWB to work, that’d be great. But we need to see it, you know, working, before we use it. Snake oil and rapid transit don’t mix. 

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So when it comes to Lexington Av. Which method is the MTA looking at.

Will they do the Express tracks first seeing as the (4) and (5) already have NTTs. 

Or will they do the Local tracks since the Express tracks are vital tracks and the (6)could be dealt with easily (whether have it run on the Express or cut it back to 125 or 3 Av-138). 

Also, will they work on both sides at the same time or will they work on one direction (Bronx side first for ex.)?

Either way, Lexington Av is a very delicate line and has to be worked on at specific times. 

Late Nights will be ideal, but the weekends can be crazy. Many rely on the (4) to Yankee Stadium, and even on weekends, Lex is still quite busy. So this is going to be interesting to say the least. But, we will truly see what the MTA is truly made of. And how they will control (or lack of) this task.

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On 6/20/2019 at 6:05 AM, Lance said:

I know it's considered a joke that the MTA is just now updating to Windows 10, but in reality that's par for the course with any large company. Very few businesses will upgrade to the latest operating system until a couple of major service pack updates are released. Hell, until fairly recently, most major companies were still using Windows XP and have upgraded for Windows 7 / 10 because legacy support for XP finally ended.

True.  I know some systems were at last check still operating on Windows 2000 (the predecessor to XP Pro) and may have only recently upgraded to 7, which has its legacy support ending in 2020.

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On 7/7/2019 at 10:46 PM, Q23 via 108 said:

So when it comes to Lexington Av. Which method is the MTA looking at.

Will they do the Express tracks first seeing as the (4) and (5) already have NTTs. 

Or will they do the Local tracks since the Express tracks are vital tracks and the (6)could be dealt with easily (whether have it run on the Express or cut it back to 125 or 3 Av-138). 

Also, will they work on both sides at the same time or will they work on one direction (Bronx side first for ex.)?

Either way, Lexington Av is a very delicate line and has to be worked on at specific times. 

Late Nights will be ideal, but the weekends can be crazy. Many rely on the (4) to Yankee Stadium, and even on weekends, Lex is still quite busy. So this is going to be interesting to say the least. But, we will truly see what the MTA is truly made of. And how they will control (or lack of) this task.

I really don't know what if anything they would do first.

It's true that there are New Techs on the (4) and (5) trains. What I would imagine happen if they do the express tracks is this:

  • Have the (4) train run as a Mosholu Shuttle from Woodlawn to 149th Street during the project.
  • Send the (5) train to bypass the 149th Street Junction to run via Broadway - 7th Avenue.

If the opposite occurs with CBTC work on the (6) local being done first, perhaps running it to 149th Street with a full express run in both directions through Manhattan would be better.

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1 hour ago, 4 via Mosholu said:

If the opposite occurs with CBTC work on the (6) local being done first, perhaps running it to 149th Street with a full express run in both directions through Manhattan would be better.

Good luck selling that to Lexington Regulars. 

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14 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Good luck selling that to Lexington Regulars. 

There is no other way going around this. This has to be done, unless there is another plan by Cuomo that he has up his sleeve.

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12 minutes ago, 4 via Mosholu said:

There is no other way going around this. This has to be done, unless there is another plan by Cuomo that he has up his sleeve.

I mean, you could do All Express in one Direction like how they’re doing work for Queens Blvd CBTC. Or you can try putting a BRT on Lexington which would be a Really tough sell. 

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I would split Lex CBTC in two to concentrate resources with the split being Grand Central.

Phase 1: Lex Express 125 to Grand Central

(4): local in both directions with the (6) 

(5): via 7th Av or only Dyre-E 180th

(6): normal 

Phase 2: Lex Local 125th to Grand Central

(4): local Grand Central to Brooklyn Bridge at all times during the project duration

(5): normal

(6): Pelham Bay Park to 125th

Phase 3: Lex Express Grand Central to Nevins Street

(4): Woodlawn to Grand Central

(5)via 7th Av or only Dyre-E 180th

(6): normal (additional trains south of 3rd/138th)

Phase 4: Lex Local Grand Central to Brooklyn Bridge

(4): local 125th to Grand Central at all times during the project duration

(5): normal

(6): Pelham Bay Park to 125th

Alternatively, I just realized as I'm typing this that you could also have phases 1 and 4 and phases 2 and 3 at the same time and simply cut the (6) to 125th and have the (4)(5) cover the open local section while they skip the closed local section (served by shuttle bus/M101/M102/M103). Brooklyn Bridge to Nevins Street would just be like the Joralemon Street tube closures after Sandy.

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@Dj Hammers @RR503 Is this for Sixth Avenue CBTC?


Description:    Village Substation Renewal - Design Only    
Category:    Traction Power    
Element:    Substations    
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This project will provide design funding for the renewal of Village Substation on the 6 Ave Line in Manhattan. Construction will be addressed in a future capital program. Schedule dates are not available, due to project being under development.

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