Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16276 Posted October 19, 2015 That wouldn't help at all. If it did, vehicles on paid fare routes would be in pristine shape and wouldn't be vandalized and ruined, which is just not true. To clarify - I am not against the idea of making school trips paid for, the fact that they are free currently is a load of nonsense, but you won't see any benefits to doing so besides putting more big ones in the MTA'S pockets. Vandals will not be deterred by having a cash fare. If they were, the subway wouldn't be vandalized. I beg to differ... Most of the people destroying the local buses don't pay. They get on through the backdoor or just walk on through the front and then add insult to injury by destroying the bus on top of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16277 Posted October 19, 2015 MTA should be about city transit, not shuttling schoolkids a little ways down the road. NYC Schools should be providing their own transit for kids coming from outside of a certain radius of the school. If a kid wants to do the "school of choice" and go outside their own neighborhood/local school, then if part of that choice means taking regular public transit, they should pay fare, not get a free ride. Kids should either walk or take the school bus, and if they opt to take MTA instead, then they should have to pay just like everyone else. Lots of kids nowadays -- even in urban cities -- are being driven by parents to/from school, too, over safety concerns. It's worked for decades in suburban areas where school districts provide bus transportation for all K-12, but cities try to "save money" by having the older kids use public transit and send all of the school buses for the younger ones. It doesn't save anything though. Instill some responsibility and respect for other peoples' things by charging for use. That would put a major dent in the problems. (P.S. If you want to downvote me for expressing my opinion, come up with something better or look a fool. Just because you disagree with what I say doesn't mean you need to be petulant. Be an adult and opine.) I've said for YEARS that all school kids should pay half fare ($1.35 ?) however they gain the ability to add money on the card like any other metro card.Having to dip the card and put in coins is a nuisance and discourages use... I beg to differ... Most of the people destroying the local buses don't pay. They get on through the backdoor or just walk on through the front and then add insult to injury by destroying the bus on top of it. Usually,I disagree with what you say VG8,but this time your right on... As an occasional rider of the Fort Hamilton school trippers,the only kids "trashing" the bus are the freshmen who seek to get on for free as a dare to impress their friends or the kids who just don't give a damn... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16278 Posted October 19, 2015 I would think the purpose of public transportation is to provide transportation to students as well as other customers trying to get from point A to B. Kids don't have a choice of whether they would like to go to school or not, therefore they should be exempt from paying the fare. If the MTA were to suddenly revoke free transportation to public school students, it would spark outrage amongst parents and I'm sure it would have a very negative outcome. Not every family can afford paying $5.50 almost every day just to get their child to school - even more if the family includes several children. $5.50 x 180 = $990 per child every school year - money that some families don't have in today's economy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16279 Posted October 19, 2015 I would think the purpose of public transportation is to provide transportation to students as well as other customers trying to get from point A to B. Kids don't have a choice of whether they would like to go to school or not, therefore they should be exempt from paying the fare. If the MTA were to suddenly revoke free transportation to public school students, it would spark outrage amongst parents and I'm sure it would have a very negative outcome. Not every family can afford paying $5.50 almost every day just to get their child to school - even more if the family includes several children. $5.50 x 180 = $990 per child every school year - money that some families don't have in today's economy. Are you serious with that? Kids can go to a zoned school which may require them to simply walk to school rather than taking the bus. That's a poor excuse. Your thinking leads kids to think that their fare should ALWAYS be free, even when they're not traveling for school purposes. If they're going to play basketball on the weekends, they'll get on the bus and think that they don't have to pay because they're students, so they never have to pay. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. When my MetroCard expired for the day, and I was hanging out at a friend's house, I had money to pay. Simple as that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16280 Posted October 19, 2015 I beg to differ... Most of the people destroying the local buses don't pay. They get on through the backdoor or just walk on through the front and then add insult to injury by destroying the bus on top of it. And that's all well and good, but how do you factor in all the vandalism that goes down in the subways?? It's much harder to fare beat on the subway, and yet you still have people tagging the trains, and making a mess of the cars and stations... I would think the purpose of public transportation is to provide transportation to students as well as other customers trying to get from point A to B. Kids don't have a choice of whether they would like to go to school or not, therefore they should be exempt from paying the fare. If the MTA were to suddenly revoke free transportation to public school students, it would spark outrage amongst parents and I'm sure it would have a very negative outcome. Not every family can afford paying $5.50 almost every day just to get their child to school - even more if the family includes several children. $5.50 x 180 = $990 per child every school year - money that some families don't have in today's economy. Where I live, our transit has specialized school routes for students, and they make us pay... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16281 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) And that's all well and good, but how do you factor in all the vandalism that goes down in the subways?? It's much harder to fare beat on the subway, and yet you still have people tagging the trains, and making a mess of the cars and stations... LMAO... Where did you get that idea from? I was at the new Fulton Street station about a few months ago making my way from a meeting Downtown, and at the turnstile, this older guy just slid himself right on through, even with all of the cops crawling in that place. I didn't say a word because quite frankly I was surprised that he was so bold to do that in that station. If it was that complicated, you wouldn't have all of the issues that you do in the subway (i.e. homeless folks, aspiring musicians, candy sellers, bible yellers, etc.) Edited October 19, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16282 Posted October 19, 2015 And that's all well and good, but how do you factor in all the vandalism that goes down in the subways?? It's much harder to fare beat on the subway, and yet you still have people tagging the trains, and making a mess of the cars and stations... Where I live, our transit has specialized school routes for students, and they make us pay... Nah, its MUCH easier to fare beat on the subway than the bus... if no cops are around just hop over the turnstile or wait for someone go exit out the gate if you're feeling lazy On the buses its a high chance the B/O would call you out over the PA System on the bus if you tried to fare beat... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16283 Posted October 19, 2015 Seen 8972 parked way in the back at BP. Highly doubt it will see service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16284 Posted October 19, 2015 LMAO... Where did you get that idea from? I was at the new Fulton Street station about a few months ago making my way from a meeting Downtown, and at the turnstile, this older guy just slid himself right on through, even with all of the cops crawling in that place. I didn't say a word because quite frankly I was surprised that he was so bold to do that in that station. If it was that complicated, you wouldn't have all of the issues that you do in the subway (i.e. homeless folks, aspiring musicians, candy sellers, bible yellers, etc.) Nah, its MUCH easier to fare beat on the subway than the bus... if no cops are around just hop over the turnstile or wait for someone go exit out the gate if you're feeling lazy On the buses its a high chance the B/O would call you out over the PA System on the bus if you tried to fare beat... Well, I'll take your guys' word for it. I maintain, however, that the idea that forcing these people to pay would instill a sense of respect in them is bollocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16285 Posted October 19, 2015 New B82 and M23 SBS routes are planned for service soon (likely 2017-18). Check NYCDOT for more info on these routes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16286 Posted October 19, 2015 I would think the purpose of public transportation is to provide transportation to students as well as other customers trying to get from point A to B. Kids don't have a choice of whether they would like to go to school or not, therefore they should be exempt from paying the fare. If the MTA were to suddenly revoke free transportation to public school students, it would spark outrage amongst parents and I'm sure it would have a very negative outcome. Not every family can afford paying $5.50 almost every day just to get their child to school - even more if the family includes several children. $5.50 x 180 = $990 per child every school year - money that some families don't have in today's economy. Are you serious with that? Kids can go to a zoned school which may require them to simply walk to school rather than taking the bus. That's a poor excuse. Your thinking leads kids to think that their fare should ALWAYS be free, even when they're not traveling for school purposes. If they're going to play basketball on the weekends, they'll get on the bus and think that they don't have to pay because they're students, so they never have to pay. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. When my MetroCard expired for the day, and I was hanging out at a friend's house, I had money to pay. Simple as that. Its important to realize that MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY ARE POOR and simply can not afford the money to pay for bus fare. the doe simply wont just start paying for school buses in Bronx Sci students have to pay like $200 a month for that. Additionally not all zone schools are walking distance. My zone school John Brown is to far for walking at least 2 miles and a horrible school. Its sad that you generalize a certain percentage of kids to all kids in the city. Adults are just as capable of doing the same damage if not more seeing whats available to them. I'm a highschool student, but I have never damaged TA property. Infact since I go to a specialized high school like many other kids in my neighborhood, we all have to get on the bus and train early. Unlike like kids going to the neighborhood schools. We never cause problems. Usually were the ones being f**ed over by rude commuters. When people need directions 90% of the time I'm the one who gives it to them not some "New Yorker" who has lived here for 20 years and still doesn't know how to get to any important destination. SI on the other had I know for a fact are usually worse. usually when i go there I see a kid who is smoking or smells like weed. However it is unjust to revoke everyone's metrocard because some kids misbehave, its better to just punish misbehaving students by revoking their cards and not everyone else's. As for fare evasion, saying that its mostly kids is BS it mostly in poor areas. In places like Flushing you always see the same senior citizens that use the "empty metrocard." Anyways I saw an RTS with fresh pond stickers on the Q27 went too fast for pics. Additionally they were benign to mark the lanes on main st for painting. Also most wires are in place along Main st for the machines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16287 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) First time I've seen the X10 with all Prevosts. According to bustime, all buses on that line are the newer Prevosts. Edited October 20, 2015 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16288 Posted October 20, 2015 Q44 has bus lanes on Hillside Ave . I think there was a stop that also had the Q44 Late night sign removed if I'm not mistaken. It is either that or it fell off. I noticed this on Saturday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16289 Posted October 20, 2015 Its important to realize that MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY ARE POOR and simply can not afford the money to pay for bus fare. the doe simply wont just start paying for school buses in Bronx Sci students have to pay like $200 a month for that. Additionally not all zone schools are walking distance. My zone school John Brown is to far for walking at least 2 miles and a horrible school. Its sad that you generalize a certain percentage of kids to all kids in the city. Adults are just as capable of doing the same damage if not more seeing whats available to them. I'm a highschool student, but I have never damaged TA property. Infact since I go to a specialized high school like many other kids in my neighborhood, we all have to get on the bus and train early. Unlike like kids going to the neighborhood schools. We never cause problems. Usually were the ones being f**ed over by rude commuters. When people need directions 90% of the time I'm the one who gives it to them not some "New Yorker" who has lived here for 20 years and still doesn't know how to get to any important destination. SI on the other had I know for a fact are usually worse. usually when i go there I see a kid who is smoking or smells like weed. However it is unjust to revoke everyone's metrocard because some kids misbehave, its better to just punish misbehaving students by revoking their cards and not everyone else's. As for fare evasion, saying that its mostly kids is BS it mostly in poor areas. In places like Flushing you always see the same senior citizens that use the "empty metrocard." Kids already get FREE Metrocards on the taxpayer's dime which they abuse, passing it to other "kids" to use, and this I've seen with my own eyes. Then they cry that they need their cards to go to school when they are going anywhere but school and just get on and don't even dip it since they are giving to others or have already used the card for other trips not related to school. While many kids don't do this, there ARE kids doing this that are abusing the system, and it leads to a sense of entitlement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16290 Posted October 20, 2015 Are you serious with that? Kids can go to a zoned school which may require them to simply walk to school rather than taking the bus. That's a poor excuse. Your thinking leads kids to think that their fare should ALWAYS be free, even when they're not traveling for school purposes. If they're going to play basketball on the weekends, they'll get on the bus and think that they don't have to pay because they're students, so they never have to pay. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. When my MetroCard expired for the day, and I was hanging out at a friend's house, I had money to pay. Simple as that.Well these kids aren't you. They don't have money, not all of them can get jobs (child labor laws, teen job market), and their parents may not have extra money they can just give them. Walk to school? Yeah let them walk to school in gang territory, where they could get caught in the middle of gang shootout, see how their parents feel about that. You know this reminds me of a little experience I had yesterday on the M15 SBS yesterday. These three 5th graders got on the bus making all kinds of raucous. Mind you this was LES, not Harlem. They were harassing passengers, speaking in a derogatory manner (they were talking about porno) and overall disturbing most peoples' commute. I even almost watched them knock an old lady over. The little sh*ts also were messing with TA property by holding the doors every time the driver tried to close them. I'm surprised he didn't get up and yell at them. And you think the lower income kids are the only ones undeserving of Student Metrocards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16291 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Well these kids aren't you. They don't have money, not all of them can get jobs (child labor laws, teen job market), and their parents may not have extra money they can just give them. Walk to school? Yeah let them walk to school in gang territory, where they could get caught in the middle of gang shootout, see how their parents feel about that. You know this reminds me of a little experience I had yesterday on the M15 SBS yesterday. These three 5th graders got on the bus making all kinds of raucous. Mind you this was LES, not Harlem. They were harassing passengers, speaking in a derogatory manner (they were talking about porno) and overall disturbing most peoples' commute. I even almost watched them knock an old lady over. The little sh*ts also were messing with TA property by holding the doors every time the driver tried to close them. I'm surprised he didn't get up and yell at them. And you think the lower income kids are the only ones undeserving of Student Metrocards. I didn't say anything about lower income kids. If a kid is zoned to a school within walking distance, then there is no need for a Metrocard. If the neighborhood they live in is that bad well then they can get hurt even if they take the bus so I don't see your point. For the record, I went to my zoned high school, which was across the street from a housing project, so spare me with it's so dangerous crappola. I lived in a middle to upper middle class area on the Manhattan Beach/Sheepshead Bay border, but my school was zoned in a crappy part of Sheepshead Bay so that meant walking from a good area to a crappy one with metal detectors, etc. I had a half-fare pass and often times I just walked to school or took the bus and paid the difference. I'm of the opinion that the Metrocards are often abused and there should be something in place to ensure that this is limited. Those cards offer three rides per day... Two for going to and from school, and another one for after school activities, which I engaged in too, and it's funny how that pass seemed to work for me just fine, but it doesn't for today's kids. Edited October 20, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16292 Posted October 20, 2015 Kids already get FREE Metrocards on the taxpayer's dime which they abuse, passing it to other "kids" to use, and this I've seen with my own eyes. Then they cry that they need their cards to go to school when they are going anywhere but school and just get on and don't even dip it since they are giving to others or have already used the card for other trips not related to school. While many kids don't do this, there ARE kids doing this that are abusing the system, and it leads to a sense of entitlement. Those who constantly abuse it should just get their privilege revoked of course its not very difficult to track their history. But you say these kids who don't pay their fare and abuse their card right. lets say the MTA did a better job deactivating the cards on holidays, how many kids do you think would pay up then? There is no point of passing the bill on students when they could make most of that money back by actually enforcing SBS routes and fare evasion for normal customers who have to pay $2.75 heck I even see people use the "empty metrocard" on the X1 and they get away with it. What the point of trying to enforce $1.35 on people who can't work to pay it off or just won't pay it all together. Students for free it like a New York City tradition, and the MTA serves the city even if it those annoying middle school kids. That falls on the parents for not teaching their kids how to behave. It also depend on the type of kids in your neighborhood. Like I said before since all the specialized high school kids have to wake up really early we usually travel together and are well behaved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16293 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Those who constantly abuse it should just get their privilege revoked of course its not very difficult to track their history. But you say these kids who don't pay their fare and abuse their card right. lets say the MTA did a better job deactivating the cards on holidays, how many kids do you think would pay up then? There is no point of passing the bill on students when they could make most of that money back by actually enforcing SBS routes and fare evasion for normal customers who have to pay $2.75 heck I even see people use the "empty metrocard" on the X1 and they get away with it. What the point of trying to enforce $1.35 on people who can't work to pay it off or just won't pay it all together. Students for free it like a New York City tradition, and the MTA serves the city even if it those annoying middle school kids. That falls on the parents for not teaching their kids how to behave. It also depend on the type of kids in your neighborhood. Like I said before since all the specialized high school kids have to wake up really early we usually travel together and are well behaved. Students for free?? So you're saying they should always get a free ride, even when they aren't going to school? That's preposterous. I paid when I wasn't going to school. Why can't these kids pay? The same "students" that don't pay now, are the "adults" that currently don't pay and abuse the system. Edited October 20, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16294 Posted October 20, 2015 Those who constantly abuse it should just get their privilege revoked of course its not very difficult to track their history. But you say these kids who don't pay their fare and abuse their card right. lets say the MTA did a better job deactivating the cards on holidays, how many kids do you think would pay up then? There is no point of passing the bill on students when they could make most of that money back by actually enforcing SBS routes and fare evasion for normal customers who have to pay $2.75 heck I even see people use the "empty metrocard" on the X1 and they get away with it. What the point of trying to enforce $1.35 on people who can't work to pay it off or just won't pay it all together. Students for free it like a New York City tradition, and the MTA serves the city even if it those annoying middle school kids. That falls on the parents for not teaching their kids how to behave. It also depend on the type of kids in your neighborhood. Like I said before since all the specialized high school kids have to wake up really early we usually travel together and are well behaved. It's so funny that these poor kids just seem to never have money, or would, if they had to pay $1.35. Yeah, but isn't it ironic how they can stop at the local bodega and get chips, soda, carry an iPhone and use it constantly ... yet somehow could NEVER afford bus/subway fare. Where are they getting the $5, $10, $20 (legitimately) to spend outside of school hours, yet can't use part of that for transit? Next. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16295 Posted October 20, 2015 It's so funny that these poor kids just seem to never have money, or would, if they had to pay $1.35. Yeah, but isn't it ironic how they can stop at the local bodega and get chips, soda, carry an iPhone and use it constantly ... yet somehow could NEVER afford bus/subway fare. Where are they getting the $5, $10, $20 (legitimately) to spend outside of school hours, yet can't use part of that for transit? Next. Ha. that's what every kid does pretty much, go to the bodega or chipotle and fare evade routes, even though many have student metrocards. Don't understand this........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16296 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Ha. that's what every kid does pretty much, go to the bodega or chipotle and fare evade routes, even though many have student metrocards. Don't understand this........ lol... Yeah expensive iPhone, the latest sweatshop Air Jordan sneakers, but those "poor" kids shouldn't have to pay the fare..... Some of those "poor kids" wear sneakers that cost more than my own shoes, and I'm an upper middle class professional. Unlike them, I wait for my Verizon contract to expire and then I get a new phone. Edited October 20, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16297 Posted October 20, 2015 Pretty damn contradictory if you ask me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16298 Posted October 20, 2015 Pretty damn contradictory if you ask me What is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16299 Posted October 20, 2015 What is? Based on what you and B train said, the so called poor kids who can't afford the bus/subway but they have expensive jewelry, Jordans, iPhones, iPads and clothes and such 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #16300 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Based on what you and B train said, the so called poor kids who can't afford the bus/subway but they have expensive jewelry, Jordans, iPhones, iPads and clothes and such lol... It's true though... My Android was $80.00 with my new contract and I am not getting a new one until my contact expires in the next few months, even though I could certainly afford one, but I don't waste money like that. Meanwhile these kids have pricier phones than me (only the latest and the best even though most of the new phones coming out don't vary that much from the older ones anyway), but they can't afford the fare, and those same students become adults that have the latest material goods, but can't afford the fare. You're seeing rampant farebeating on a number of lines and I know because I see it with my own eyes. I started tutoring near the Castle Hill area of the Bronx recently, and the amount of farebeating on those local buses is insane. I've been using the Bx36 to get to the BxM8 express bus, and for the 5 or so minutes that I'm on that bus, just about everyone that gets on dips a card with nothing on it, and we're talking a good 10 - 20 people just within that amount of time. It's a disgrace. They all have a story too, or pretend that something must be wrong with their Metrocard... Even the seniors.... Edited October 20, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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