RandomRider0101 Posted February 17, 2023 Share #5951 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheMTAEmprie said: I know, no shade at him, just that it's funny to me give a big grandiose closure of a 139 bus order. So you're saying that since it's a smaller order that means it's not worthy of giving updates on? I'm not understanding this logic here. Edited February 17, 2023 by RandomRider0101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMTAEmprie Posted February 17, 2023 Share #5952 Posted February 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said: So you're saying that since it's a smaller order that means it's not worthy of giving updates on? I'm not understanding this logic here. Not quite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 17, 2023 Share #5953 Posted February 17, 2023 The point is, Mr. TheMTAEmpire, that this 139 bus order is significant because they all went to the same division: Brooklyn. Is it ok for the veteran members of this board to give updates on the status of the 40' Nova's arriving which are exclusively for the 3 Queens Division Depots? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 21, 2023 Share #5954 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) Notes from today's board meeting: 60 bus order XE40 expected pilot service Beginning spring 2023 5 bus order LFSe+ expected Fall 2023 Edited February 21, 2023 by MysteriousBtrain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 21, 2023 Share #5955 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) Other confirmed orders via the finance committee: 355 Standard Battery Electric Buses (BEB) + 90 Artic Battery Electric Buses for NYCT for 445 of 470 electric units (award/delivery no later than 2024) 25 Standard Battery Electric Buses for MTA Bus (BEB) adding 25 to 445 ordered NYCT units (470 total) 5 standard Battery Electric Buses BT&E (see LFSe+ above) 45+15 Battery Electric Buses (60 XE40 bus order) 245 NYCT articulated bus order (order expected to be awarded/complete by the end of 2025) 25+25+85 MTA bus order (135 LFS bus order expected to begin soon) Purchase 173 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NOVA) by the end of 2024 Purchase 116 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NF) by the end of 2024 Purchase 250 MTA Bus Express Buses by the end of 2026 Edited February 21, 2023 by MysteriousBtrain Minor spelling, date adjustments and other corrections 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted February 21, 2023 Share #5956 Posted February 21, 2023 So this means the end of natural gas buses. I guess the 173 lfs's will be 90 for ca and 83 to a depot to named later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSMG106 Posted February 21, 2023 Share #5957 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, limitednyc said: So this means the end of natural gas buses. I guess the 173 lfs's will be 90 for ca and 83 to a depot to named later. The MTA Bus order for the Novas only applies to LaGuardia, Baisley Park, and Far Rockaway/JFK. 1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Other confirmed orders via the finance committee: 355 Standard Battery Electric Buses (BEB) + 90 Artic Battery Electric Buses for NYCT for 445 of 470 electric units (award/delivery no later than 2024) 25 Standard Battery Electric Buses for MTA Bus (BEB) adding 25 to 445 ordered NYCT units (470 total) 5 standard Battery Electric Buses BT&E (see LFSe+ above) 45+15 Battery Electric Buses (60 XE40 bus order) 245 NYCT articulated bus order (order expected to be awarded/complete by the end of 2025) 25+25+85 MTA bus order (135 LFS bus order expected to begin soon) Purchase 173 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NOVA) by the end of 2024 Purchase 116 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NF) by the end of 2024 Purchase 250 MTA Bus Express Buses by the end of 2026 This could mean that the D4500CLs may retire in 2027, meaning the end of the CL fleet for 23 years (2004-2027). Edited February 21, 2023 by RSMG106 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted February 21, 2023 Share #5958 Posted February 21, 2023 I sorry my mistake miss read . So if my numbers are right 173 25 BP, 107 jfk , 41 tlo be named . 116 xd40 all to lga . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5959 Posted February 22, 2023 8 hours ago, limitednyc said: So this means the end of natural gas buses. I guess the 173 lfs's will be 90 for ca and 83 to a depot to named later. The first part, you may be up to something. Assuming all pre-2011 buses are retired by the end of this year, that's 355 AEBs to be delivered to replace the 2011 units. In my memory, there are the 90 BT&E buses (7000-7089, 8000-8089, 4810-4899) totaling 270 units. That leaves 85 buses to be delivered. This could be possible confirmation of AEBs to WF. 85 buses to replace 88 C40 units. But we shall see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTA Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5960 Posted February 22, 2023 11 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Other confirmed orders via the finance committee: 355 Standard Battery Electric Buses (BEB) + 90 Artic Battery Electric Buses for NYCT for 445 of 470 electric units (award/delivery no later than 2024) 25 Standard Battery Electric Buses for MTA Bus (BEB) adding 25 to 445 ordered NYCT units (470 total) 5 standard Battery Electric Buses BT&E (see LFSe+ above) 45+15 Battery Electric Buses (60 XE40 bus order) 245 NYCT articulated bus order (order expected to be awarded/complete by the end of 2025) 25+25+85 MTA bus order (135 LFS bus order expected to begin soon) Purchase 173 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NOVA) by the end of 2024 Purchase 116 MTA Bus Standard Diesel Buses (NF) by the end of 2024 Purchase 250 MTA Bus Express Buses by the end of 2026 90 AEB Artics=elimination of the 1200s. 245 more artics=elimination of the 4700s and most of the early 58/59/52/5300s 135 LFS MTA bus order=rest of the NGs 173 LFS/116 NF MTA bus order=displacement of the 2014 XD40s? 250 MTA express bus order=the end of the CLs (they’ll need more to get rid of the CTs). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lornaevo Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5961 Posted February 22, 2023 So still nothing for the replacement of CP C40LF fleet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpn4179 Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5962 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, NBTA said: 90 AEB Artics=elimination of the 1200s. 245 more artics=elimination of the 4700s and most of the early 58/59/52/5300s 135 LFS MTA bus order=rest of the NGs 173 LFS/116 NF MTA bus order=displacement of the 2014 XD40s? 250 MTA express bus order=the end of the CLs (they’ll need more to get rid of the CTs). The 245 artic order will eliminate the 2011-12 Nova LFSA artics (5770-5986) and maybe some 2012-2013 Nova LFSA (5252-5298, 5300-5363). The 2013 New Flyer XD60 (4710-4798) will not go until they exercise an option order or place a new order. The 135 Nova LFS order with the optional 173 LFS order and 116 New Flyer XD40 order for MTA Bus will eliminate the NGs. The 2014 XD40 at LGA will not be touched. Edited February 22, 2023 by Mpn4179 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRider0101 Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5963 Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Mpn4179 said: The 245 artic order will eliminate the 2011-12 Nova LFSA artics (5770-5986) and maybe some 2012-2013 Nova LFSA (5252-5298, 5300-5363). The 2013 New Flyer XD60 (4710-4798) will not go until they exercise an option order or place a new order. The 135 Nova LFS order with the optional 173 LFS order and 116 New Flyer XD40 order for MTA Bus will eliminate the NGs. The 2014 XD40 at LGA will not be touched. The 245 bus artic order could entirely replace the 2012-13 XD60s (4710-4799) and a portion of the 2011-13 Nova LFS order. Since they're all roughly the same age, it will depend on which buses are in the worst shape. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 22, 2023 Share #5964 Posted February 22, 2023 8 hours ago, lornaevo said: So still nothing for the replacement of CP C40LF fleet? There's a CNG order coming up. The C40s have 15+ year tanks, they'll be around for a little while longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5965 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) I heard that there may be changes to the upcoming spring pick or later in the Manhattan Division, routes will be shuffled. The M66 (M72 may also be due to the transverse) will be moved to Manhattanville while the M60-SBS will be shifted over to Mother Clara Hale instead. Edited February 27, 2023 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimategamer12c Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5966 Posted February 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, Calvin said: I heard that there may be changes to the upcoming spring pick or later in the Manhattan Division, routes will be shuffled. The M66 (M72 may also be due to the transverse) will be moved to Manhattanville while the M60-SBS will be shifted over to Mother Clara Hale instead. Is it permanent until Quill gets their roof top fixed or is it a official swap where the buses stay at those Depots for good ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Fly Guy Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5967 Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ultimategamer12c said: Is it permanent until Quill gets their roof top fixed or is it an official swap where the buses stay at those Depots for good ? Both moves are to accommodate the Roof closure the M72 will not be moving. Both of the routes will go back to MJQ once the work is completed which it targeted for Summer Pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5968 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ultimategamer12c said: Is it permanent until Quill gets their roof top fixed or is it a official swap where the buses stay at those Depots for good ? It's permanent because of the roof top needing fixing. I remember it was brought up before that the top part of the roof had cracks, but the fixing date was unknown to when it'll be in effect. When the construction is finished 100%, the routes would be back the way it was. https://w42st.com/post/michael-quill-bus-depot-cracks-rooftop/ : article relating to Quill with the roof fixing Edited February 27, 2023 by Calvin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5969 Posted February 27, 2023 They just don't build stuff like they used to..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5970 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nova Fly Guy said: Both moves are to accommodate the Roof closure the M72 will not be moving. Both of the routes will go back to MJQ once the work is completed which it targeted for Summer Pick. Summer Pick? Construction of that rooftop does not take 3-4 months to do. Quill is to lose 120 buses and M66 to MV & M60SBS to OF could use 1/3 of the fleet. Buses with Luggage parcels will go to OF, while 20 buses (mainly Nova LFSes) use MV. & btw: that depot is 25 years old Edited February 27, 2023 by FLX9304 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5971 Posted February 27, 2023 So just to be clear, only M66 and M60 are moving? Everything else stays at their depots? I remember hearing of other movements, including the M79/86. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Fly Guy Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5972 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: So just to be clear, only M66 and M60 are moving? Everything else stays at their depots? I remember hearing of other movements, including the M79/86. Correct the MCI parking was spilt between MJQ/OH to make more space on the Roof. The job is not suppose to go past the Summer Pick as it stands right now. The problem was MV didn’t have enough space to Take the M60/66, you would have to still send routes out of MV for 5443-5467. Edited February 27, 2023 by Nova Fly Guy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5973 Posted February 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, Nova Fly Guy said: Correct the MCI parking was spilt between MJQ/OH to make more space on the Roof. The job is not suppose to go past the Summer Pick as it stands right now. The problem was MV didn’t have enough space to Take the M60/66, you would have to still send routes out of MV for 5443-5467. 5443 is Kingsbridge 5444-5467 is MQ.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5974 Posted February 27, 2023 I do find it hard to believe that the rooftop construction is only supposed to last 3-4 months. Either the roof isn’t as damaged as it was believed or the MTA is only doing the bare minimum to get the roof open as quickly as possible in the short term. As for the temporary swap, as a fan I kind of like the prospect of seeing the New Flyer hybrids back on the Transverse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpn4179 Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5975 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, FLX9304 said: Summer Pick? Construction of that rooftop does not take 3-4 months to do. Quill is to lose 120 buses and M66 to MV & M60SBS to OF could use 1/3 of the fleet. Buses with Luggage parcels will go to OF, while 20 buses (mainly Nova LFSes) use MV. & btw: that depot is 25 years old The depot is 25 years old, but in actuality, the building is 57 years old. Quill Depot used to be a storage facility and headquarters for Greyhound buses from 1966-1996. Greyhound sold it to the MTA, which then renovated and opened the depot in 1998 as Westside Depot. It was renamed Michael J. Quill Depot two years later. Edited February 27, 2023 by Mpn4179 Clarification of when the building was built and when the MTA opened the depot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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