Planned Subway Service Changes

[RollOver]

This is where not having the Nassau portion of Montauge in service does not help matters.  Then what they could have done was perhaps for this period run the on its old route between Metropolitan and 9th Avenue to cover for the (or extended the for that purpose).

 

If riders on the Flatbush and New Lots branches can just stay on the going to Downtown Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan or transfer to the at Atlantic-Barclays to nearby Lex stations, what would be the point of extending the or ?

 

There are even videos on YouTube of that old brown Bay Parkaway (typing this from my iPad) and that Prospect Park shuttle being plain empty.

[Wallyhorse]

If riders on the Flatbush and New Lots branches can just stay on the going to Downtown Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan or transfer to the at Atlantic-Barclays to nearby Lex stations, what would be the point of extending the or ?

 

There are even videos on YouTube of that old brown Bay Parkaway (typing this from my iPad) and that Prospect Park shuttle being plain empty.

That's true.   Most can switch to the Broadway line at Canal or Union Square.

[Dj Hammers]

This is where not having the Nassau portion of Montauge in service does not help matters.  Then what they could have done was perhaps for this period run the on its old route between Metropolitan and 9th Avenue to cover for the (or extended the for that purpose). 

Not arguing for or against any proposals, but I will note that as of late January, the Nassau St connection to the Montague Tube is back in service.

[Wallyhorse]

Not arguing for or against any proposals, but I will note that as of late January, the Nassau St connection to the Montague Tube is back in service.

Thanks for letting us know.  As far as anyone knew, it was still OOS.

[Lance]

This is where not having the Nassau portion of Montauge in service does not help matters.  Then what they could have done was perhaps for this period run the on its old route between Metropolitan and 9th Avenue to cover for the (or extended the for that purpose). 

They stopped running that special service years before the closure of Montague tubes. Few people used that service, opting for quicker options on the and lines. Riders looking for Lower Manhattan service can use the .

[Around the Horn]

Not arguing for or against any proposals, but I will note that as of late January, the Nassau St connection to the Montague Tube is back in service.

Really? It might as well be closed, cause 90% of equipment can't use it...Although my R143 J to 95 Street fantasy is still alive...

[asi14]

Everytime Wally...everytime you propose something, a tear comes out of my eye. The TA is most likely just going to make the  To New Lots full time.

smh

[S78 via Hylan]

Does anyone know what kind of work will be happening at or around 179 St for this?

 

No rush hour service to/from Jamaica-179 St

Take the instead

Rush Hours, 6:30 AM to 8:30 AM and 3:30 PM to 8 PM, Mon to Fri, Mar 21 - 25 • Mar 28 - Apr 1

 

The last stop for some trains headed toward Jamaica-179 St is Parsons Blvd

Rush Hours, 6 AM to 10 AM and 4 PM to 8 PM, Mon to Fri, Mar 21 - 25 • Mar 28 - Apr 1

 

• Transfer at Parsons Blvd to continue your trip.

Edited March 13, 2016 by S78 via Hylan

[MysteriousBtrain]

Does anyone know what kind of work will be happening at or around 179 St for this?

 

No rush hour service to/from Jamaica-179 St

Take the instead

Rush Hours, 6:30 AM to 8:30 AM and 3:30 PM to 8 PM, Mon to Fri, Mar 21 - 25 • Mar 28 - Apr 1

 

The last stop for some trains headed toward Jamaica-179 St is Parsons Blvd

Rush Hours, 6 AM to 10 AM and 4 PM to 8 PM, Mon to Fri, Mar 21 - 25 • Mar 28 - Apr 1

 

• Transfer at Parsons Blvd to continue your trip.

Maybe maintenance on the express tracks on the hillside branch.

[Around the Horn]

Maybe maintenance on the express tracks on the hillside branch.

That's what it sounds like... Looks like trains that would use the upper level relay (and the (e)s which always use it) will terminate at Parsons instead

[paulrivera]

They stopped running that special service years before the closure of Montague tubes. Few people used that service, opting for quicker options on the and lines. Riders looking for Lower Manhattan service can use the .

Yeah but if they're going to reroute the and out of Lower Manhattan while cutting off the from Brooklyn at the same time, they could borrow equipment, run a separate OPTO shuttle between Chambers and Atlantic and be done with it. The and can't handle TRIPLE its normal load in and out of Fulton every weekend.

[Wallyhorse]

Yeah but if they're going to reroute the and out of Lower Manhattan while cutting off the from Brooklyn at the same time, they could borrow equipment, run a separate OPTO shuttle between Chambers and Atlantic and be done with it. The and can't handle TRIPLE its normal load in and out of Fulton every weekend.

Or as said, since the is currently running to Chambers anyway simply extend that to the first place it can turn in Brooklyn after it reaches transfers with the so those riders who obviously don't realize what is going on can transfer (this actually could be a way to test out supplementing the in Brooklyn with the idea of the becoming a bona-fide separate line by actually having the run to 95th Street with the  when both G.O.'s are in effect). 

 

That said, it probably would not be triple, especially with transfers (from the ) to the and at Bleecker/Broadway-Lafayette and and at Canal Street.  Simply advise riders if the want the other lines affected to take the 8th Avenue trains at Bleecker and Broadway trains at Canal Street.  Of course, some will ignore these facts and still get on at Fulton anyway, but that may be a solution.

Edited March 15, 2016 by Wallyhorse

[RollOver]

The weekend no longer runs to Chambers now that they recently install a new switch to/from the middle track at Essex.

[Lance]

Yeah but if they're going to reroute the and out of Lower Manhattan while cutting off the from Brooklyn at the same time, they could borrow equipment, run a separate OPTO shuttle between Chambers and Atlantic and be done with it. The and can't handle TRIPLE its normal load in and out of Fulton every weekend.

That still doesn't bring any riders to that line. It was never an issue of car equipment. Remember, they stopped running the shuttle long before Sandy, and for good reason. Those shuttles ran practically empty with the majority of its riders coming from the railfans. Rather than run air trains, service should be increased on the lines riders are likely to use during the Joralemon closure: the and lines. Perhaps they should look into having the run via Whitehall when both Joralemon and Cranberry are closed.

[Wallyhorse]

The weekend no longer runs to Chambers now that they recently install a new switch to/from the middle track at Essex.

Obviously I didn't know that.  The main purpose I would have had in running it to 95th with the on weekends when BOTH Joralemon and Cranberry are out (and actually run such in place of the shuttle overnights on such weekends) was to test and see if it helped solve the problem in Brooklyn, if successful forwarding the idea of making the a bona-fide separate line that I noted previously elsewhere.  

 

That still doesn't bring any riders to that line. It was never an issue of car equipment. Remember, they stopped running the shuttle long before Sandy, and for good reason. Those shuttles ran practically empty with the majority of its riders coming from the railfans. Rather than run air trains, service should be increased on the lines riders are likely to use during the Joralemon closure: the and lines. Perhaps they should look into having the run via Whitehall when both Joralemon and Cranberry are closed.

And that was silly running the separate , which simply could have been extended to Prospect Park instead of two separate trains that confused many (or for those weekends having the run its then-weekday rush hour route of Metropolitan to Bay Parkway). 

 

On those weekends, I would simply have the and all be 24/7 locals (with the on such weekends running its full route at all times) since that covers the section between Atlantic-Barclays and Union Square for the most part as up to Union Square, the Lexington and Broadway lines are one block apart.  

[Lance]

And that was silly running the separate , which simply could have been extended to Prospect Park instead of two separate trains that confused many (or for those weekends having the run its then-weekday rush hour route of Metropolitan to Bay Parkway). 

There were two reasons why the rarely ran as one route from Jamaica to Prospect Park, 9 Avenue or some other south Brooklyn terminal. Namely, it reduces the reliability of the line with its expanded length. Another was that the Parsons-Chambers never ran at the same intervals as the Essex-Prospect Park shuttle. I believe the former was around ten minutes while the shuttle was around 15 or so.

 

On those weekends, I would simply have the and all be 24/7 locals (with the on such weekends running its full route at all times) since that covers the section between Atlantic-Barclays and Union Square for the most part as up to Union Square, the Lexington and Broadway lines are one block apart.  

Don't get excessive. Having two Whitehall trains to compensate for the loss of the Lexington Ave line should be sufficient. Running the overnight would be overkill.

[Daniel The Cool]

Yeah but if they're going to reroute the and out of Lower Manhattan while cutting off the from Brooklyn at the same time, they could borrow equipment, run a separate OPTO shuttle between Chambers and Atlantic and be done with it. The and can't handle TRIPLE its normal load in and out of Fulton every weekend.

 

It still will be pointless. Back in May 2010, there was a weekend G.O with the to Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall, to New Lots and the skipping Fulton Street southbound and running via the Northbound with Trains being suspended entirely. I rode that Shuttle Train to Prospect Park a few times that weekend too and it was DEAD. Plus if people want lower Manhattan, you still can take the To Broad Street, the To Wall Street and the to Whitehall which is enough options. 

[bstar1]

Don't they usually avoid doing large GOs like that (no http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/75px-NYCS-bull-trans-5_svg.png at all) during the holiday season?

[Wallyhorse]

There were two reasons why the rarely ran as one route from Jamaica to Prospect Park, 9 Avenue or some other south Brooklyn terminal. Namely, it reduces the reliability of the line with its expanded length. Another was that the Parsons-Chambers never ran at the same intervals as the Essex-Prospect Park shuttle. I believe the former was around ten minutes while the shuttle was around 15 or so.

 

Don't get excessive. Having two Whitehall trains to compensate for the loss of the Lexington Ave line should be sufficient. Running the overnight would be overkill.

Probably right on the Broadway Line as you do need one express train.  The and both through the tunnel on such weekends would suffice since those at Atlantic looking for the Lexington Avenue line can take a running other than overnights one stop between Atlantic-Barclays and Broadway-Lafayette and a transfer to the , plus those looking for the stations above 14th can stay on the to and transfer there.  That said, depending on ridership load if warranted I would look at having the option to have the go to at least Times Square overnights on such weekends. 

[MysteriousBtrain]

Not that this is happening anytime soon, but this article talks about what would happen when Myrtle Av closes next year:

M train service in Bushwick and Ridgewood is scheduled to be interrupted for two months next year in preparation of the L train tunnel shutdown, according to the MTA.

 

There will be no M trains between the Middle Village-Metropolitan Ave. and the Myrtle Ave. stops.

 

Repair work could start summer 2017, the MTA said.

 

The work should be done before L train riders begin to use the M during the shut down of the Canarsie Tube.

 

When the M train work is done, the MTA intends to demolish and rebuild a viaduct over the span of eight months, during which time a shuttle train is expected to carry passengers between Middle Village-Metropolitan Ave. and Myrtle-Wyckoff Aves.

 

Repairs at the Knickerbocker Ave. and Central Ave. stations are scheduled to last 10 months.

 

M trains are expected to be rerouted to the J and Z line on Broadway between the Myrtle Ave. and Broadway Junction stations in the meantime.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2016/03/17/m-train-service-to-shut-down-in-parts-of-brooklyn-and-queens-next-summer.html

[Around the Horn]

Not that this is happening anytime soon, but this article talks about what would happen when Myrtle Av closes next year:

 

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2016/03/17/m-train-service-to-shut-down-in-parts-of-brooklyn-and-queens-next-summer.html

"This is a Broadway Junction bound local train"

[CenSin]

"This is a Broadway Junction bound local train"

They plan to demolish parts of the line… to be rebuilt. I hope whatever they replace it with is better than what they had before. The work on Atlantic Avenue () to convert it to a 2-track station is arguably worse than what they had before.

[Union Tpke]

They plan to demolish parts of the line… to be rebuilt. I hope whatever they replace it with is better than what they had before. The work on Atlantic Avenue ( ) to convert it to a 2-track station is arguably worse than what they had before.

 

I hope that they lengthen the platforms or allow for the work to be done afterwards.

[Wallyhorse]

I hope that they lengthen the platforms or allow for the work to be done afterwards.

Lengthening the platforms would be something I would insist on as part of an overall program of doing that so the can eventually go to 10-car trains. 

[Fresh Pond]

They plan to demolish parts of the line… to be rebuilt. I hope whatever they replace it with is better than what they had before. The work on Atlantic Avenue () to convert it to a 2-track station is arguably worse than what they had before.

The work between Myrtle & Central Avs is for the viaduct the uses to get around the buildings. It will still travel on the same path once completed.

 

The work by Metropolitan Av is for that small bridge it travels over to get over the freight tracks.

 

Atlantic Av in itself is difficult (not impossible) to completely strip since many of the remaining girders hold up what's left standing now.