46Dover Posted October 6, 2020 Share #2176 Posted October 6, 2020 Turnaround for extra board can be f—-ing brutal 😫 especially if you live 30 minutes away from job 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 20, 2020 Share #2177 Posted October 20, 2020 I just realized that when the suburban XD60s come, that will be the closest thing NYC Tri State area will have to an LF transit bus with "coach bus" features (reclining seats, reading lights, etc). Can't wait until the surbuban artics arrive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted October 20, 2020 Share #2178 Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: I just realized that when the suburban XD60s come, that will be the closest thing NYC Tri State area will have to an LF transit bus with "coach bus" features (reclining seats, reading lights, etc). Can't wait until the surbuban artics arrive. It don’t look like these buses will have these features. also note Wayne and oradell have ticket readers all garages should have them by the end of October. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLiu15 Posted October 20, 2020 Share #2179 Posted October 20, 2020 18 hours ago, trainfan22 said: I just realized that when the suburban XD60s come, that will be the closest thing NYC Tri State area will have to an LF transit bus with "coach bus" features (reclining seats, reading lights, etc). Can't wait until the surbuban artics arrive. I heard that there's no suburban XD60 and that all NJT XD60s will be transit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 30, 2020 Share #2180 Posted October 30, 2020 So, the Jersey City express cuts have begun early. There are now 6 64Hs & 68s, 3 64Js and 1 63X as opposed to 11 64Hs & 68s, 5 64Js and 2 63X trips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted October 30, 2020 Share #2181 Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: So, the Jersey City express cuts have begun early. There are now 6 64Hs & 68s, 3 64Js and 1 63X as opposed to 11 64Hs & 68s, 5 64Js and 2 63X trips. Can't say I'm surprised.... Ridership's been way down on those routes in & out of JC, unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 30, 2020 Share #2182 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, B35 via Church said: Can't say I'm surprised.... Ridership's been way down on those routes in & out of JC, unfortunately. I forgot to mention, these are PM trips. I have to check the AM trips, but I'm certain its the same amount. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted October 31, 2020 Share #2183 Posted October 31, 2020 14 hours ago, Cait Sith said: I forgot to mention, these are PM trips. I have to check the AM trips, but I'm certain its the same amount. Yeah its kind of the same as theres one 63 trip as a 63G 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted December 3, 2020 Share #2184 Posted December 3, 2020 North Jersey/NYC residents can now use the app to buy Light Rail tickets! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #2185 Posted December 11, 2020 Just curious, how common is people bringing luggage on the 319? Or people who have an extended stay in AC usually take Greyhound? I have yet to ride the 319, just wondering.. Speaking of AC - NYC bus service, Greyhound completely ruined their AC bound runs as they seem to stop at each casino now rather than go straight to AC Bus terminal from NY. This added a whole hour to the runtime which now takes three hours and 30 minutes to travel between NYC and AC bus terminal, a whole hour longer than the previous run time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 11, 2020 Share #2186 Posted December 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: Just curious, how common is people bringing luggage on the 319? Or people who have an extended stay in AC usually take Greyhound? Neither of which are all that common (compared to Greyhound), but there are more pax out of Toms River that tote luggages onto the #319 than anyone from AC bus terminal... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML111 Posted December 12, 2020 Share #2187 Posted December 12, 2020 23 hours ago, B35 via Church said: Neither of which are all that common (compared to Greyhound), but there are more pax out of Toms River that tote luggages onto the #319 than anyone from AC bus terminal... It's a tale of different seasons.... Pre-Pandemic, non Summer = you're correct Pre-Pandemic, Summer until Columbus Day = 70% pax with luggage to AC, 30% to Toms River Now = 90% luggage to AC, 10% to Toms River 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML111 Posted December 12, 2020 Share #2188 Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 6:17 PM, trainfan22 said: Speaking of AC - NYC bus service, Greyhound completely ruined their AC bound runs as they seem to stop at each casino now rather than go straight to AC Bus terminal from NY. This added a whole hour to the runtime which now takes three hours and 30 minutes to travel between NYC and AC bus terminal, a whole hour longer than the previous run time. Upwards of 70-80% of the ridership on the Greyhound service is going to the casinos. Greyhound knows this and has acted accordingly. In addition, the Terminal is also the designated parking location in between trips. Having that as the last stop makes sense and saves money. Pre-pandemic, the company ran up to 15-20 schedules each day and as a result you can be selective on which of the 5 casinos are served. Now, they run 5-8 schedules a day - you can't be selective and there's less people overall. Alas, all schedules do the 4 boardwalk-side casinos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2189 Posted December 13, 2020 Speaking of the 319, how are the driver paddles? Do you just do one round trip and go home? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2190 Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 6:17 PM, trainfan22 said: Just curious, how common is people bringing luggage on the 319? Or people who have an extended stay in AC usually take Greyhound? I have yet to ride the 319, just wondering.. Speaking of AC - NYC bus service, Greyhound completely ruined their AC bound runs as they seem to stop at each casino now rather than go straight to AC Bus terminal from NY. This added a whole hour to the runtime which now takes three hours and 30 minutes to travel between NYC and AC bus terminal, a whole hour longer than the previous run time. I would argue that most of the ridership don't want to get off at Atlantic City Bus Terminal. The casinos are in much better places than the bus terminal with direct access to the boardwalk. However, 319 is cheaper. Thanks to the roundtrip discount there are many time when it is cheaper than Greyhound because their prices are more variable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2191 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, ML111 said: It's a tale of different seasons.... Pre-Pandemic, non Summer = you're correct Pre-Pandemic, Summer until Columbus Day = 70% pax with luggage to AC, 30% to Toms River Now = 90% luggage to AC, 10% to Toms River While there were more people toting luggages during the summer season on the #319 to/from AC (compared to those doing so during the other seasons), there wasn't that much of a variance between the two destinations... At best, I'd say it was 50/50. 7 hours ago, Mtatransit said: I would argue that most of the ridership don't want to get off at Atlantic City Bus Terminal. The casinos are in much better places than the bus terminal with direct access to the boardwalk. However, 319 is cheaper. Thanks to the roundtrip discount there are many time when it is cheaper than Greyhound because their prices are more variable. [Those that prefer not getting off at the bus terminal] vs. [those that bite the bullet & either take the #319 or Greyhound] to AC is a different discussion.... I don't necessarily disagree with that point of yours, but what I would say is that (of those that do ride out of AC bus terminal) there seems to be more of a preference towards Greyhound, for whatever their range of reasons are..... I'm just gonna say it - There's simply more patronage in/out of Toms River overall than in/out of AC on the #319... This is considering the existence of the #137 too.... The question I would ask (to Greyhound → AC riders) is, how many of them would be willing to patronize the #319 if it were to be repurposed to being a straight PABT - AC route... Edited December 13, 2020 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2192 Posted December 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, B35 via Church said: The question I would ask (to Greyhound → AC riders) is, how many of them would be willing to patronize the #319 if it were to be repurposed to being a straight PABT - AC route... That would likely violate FTA regulations. They are not supposed to compete with the private sector. Both the 319 and GLI have been there forever, but NJT would get into a great deal of trouble doing that. If NJT is first, that is a different story to some extent. In addition, the current NJT configuration is likely cash-positive for NJT. Being able to fill in the blank in Toms River & Tuckerton in this environment probably means that their per-seat revenue might be better than GLI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2193 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, JAzumah said: That would likely violate FTA regulations. They are not supposed to compete with the private sector. Both the 319 and GLI have been there forever, but NJT would get into a great deal of trouble doing that. If NJT is first, that is a different story to some extent. In addition, the current NJT configuration is likely cash-positive for NJT. Being able to fill in the blank in Toms River & Tuckerton in this environment probably means that their per-seat revenue might be better than GLI. Oh, I get that it would be in violation... Just posing the hypothetical to make the point that (I'd say) people would still gravitate more towards Greyhound for such a service, compared to NJT... To your other point, yeah, for as much service given to the #319 overall, it would be a money pit if didn't serve Toms River.... There has always been this general consensus that AC patronage significantly trumps that of Toms River, when it's not the case... Hell, before I started riding the thing way back when, I thought there would be this huge swathe/the vast majority of riders getting off at AC from PABT, with Toms River being some measly stop in-between the two points with only stragglers disembarking too.... As for as having it now stop at that P&R in Little Egg Harbor after all this time, that's most certainly a money grab.... I would say that I'm somewhat surprised that they have those two daily #319 trips to/from Wildwood, but if they can have two or three daily trips year-round on the #313/#315 running b/w Cape May & Philly, well then aye..... Edited December 13, 2020 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2194 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, B35 via Church said: [Those that prefer not getting off at the bus terminal] vs. [those that bite the bullet & either take the #319 or Greyhound] to AC is a different discussion.... I don't necessarily disagree with that point of yours, but what I would say is that (of those that do ride out of AC bus terminal) there seems to be more of a preference towards Greyhound, for whatever their range of reasons are..... I'm just gonna say it - There's simply more patronage in/out of Toms River overall than in/out of AC on the #319... This is considering the existence of the #137 too.... The question I would ask (to Greyhound → AC riders) is, how many of them would be willing to patronize the #319 if it were to be repurposed to being a straight PABT - AC route... To be honest, not much if the 319 was converted to a direct AC- NYC route. I do agree with you though, 319 serves its purpose extremely well. It provides Toms River with express service to both NYC and Atlantic City, where further connections could be made. These intermediate trips are crucial to the success of that route. But you are right, for discretionary riders Greyhound is the way to go (or one of those chinatown carriers) That being said, I did try to utilize the 319 but upon looking at its one way fare between Atlantic City and NYC, went straight to Greyhound. The one way fare I remember was close to twice of what Greyhound was charging. Edited December 13, 2020 by Mtatransit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted December 14, 2020 Share #2195 Posted December 14, 2020 15 hours ago, B35 via Church said: I would say that I'm somewhat surprised that they have those two daily #319 trips to/from Wildwood, but if they can have two or three daily trips year-round on the #313/#315 running b/w Cape May & Philly, well then aye..... I think there is room for at least two more of those Wildwood buses on the 319 in each direction (in theory), but the 319 at an hourly frequency is good enough to make the connections less painful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1train2255railfan Posted December 23, 2020 Share #2196 Posted December 23, 2020 9 AN460RCs were in service yesterday. 9503, 9506, 9507, 9530, 9531, 9609, 9612, 9614 and 9624. First time the count has been this high in a while to my knowledge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 24, 2020 Share #2197 Posted December 24, 2020 Just wanted share this on the forum.... This was brought to my attention by @checkmatechamp13 There's not too many NJ guys here, but for those of you that are, what are your thoughts about this random guy's assessment of the NJT #419? This is proof that you shouldn't assess an entire route off one freakin trip..... It's basically, train good, bus bad. http://milesintransit.com/2019/02/04/njt-419-camden-route-73-pennsauken-station-riverside/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted December 26, 2020 Share #2198 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 12:16 PM, B35 via Church said: Just wanted share this on the forum.... This was brought to my attention by @checkmatechamp13 There's not too many NJ guys here, but for those of you that are, what are your thoughts about this random guy's assessment of the NJT #419? This is proof that you shouldn't assess an entire route off one freakin trip..... It's basically, train good, bus bad. http://milesintransit.com/2019/02/04/njt-419-camden-route-73-pennsauken-station-riverside/ All of the route assessments on his site are like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 27, 2020 Share #2199 Posted December 27, 2020 8 hours ago, RailBus63 said: All of the route assessments on his site are like that. So I take it you've heard of this dude before.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted December 27, 2020 Share #2200 Posted December 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, B35 via Church said: So I take it you've heard of this dude before.... He started out as a teenager riding and reviewing MBTA routes in Boston for his blog. I guess he's down in the Philly-South Jersey area now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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