MysteriousBtrain Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2026 Posted April 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: Potential Bus Depot list of redesigned routes Q1-QV JFK loses the Q6 but gains more buses for the extended Q10 and etc. (I still think this merge won't go through.) Q2-QV Q3-JA Q4-JA Q5-JA Q7-JFK Q8-JFK Q9-JFK Q10-JFk Q11-FR/JFK Q12-CS Q13-CS Q14-FP or LGA (the Eliot ave part of the Q38, Could be FP since this is a new route) Q16-CS Q17-CS (makes sense to move this to CS, It won't terminate in Jamaica anymore.) Q18-LGA Q19-CP Q20-CS Q21-FR/JFK Q22-FR Q23-LGA Q24-ENY Q25-CP Q26-QV (replaces the Q27) Q27-CS (Q27 goes back to CS, makes no sense for it to come out of QV) Q28-CS Q31-JA Q32-CS Q33-LGA Q35-FR Q37-JFK Q38-CP or LGA (Could go back to LGA or stay at CP) Q39-LGA Q40-JFK Q42-JA Q43-QV Q44-CS Q45-QV Q46/48-QV Q47-LGA Q49-LGA Q50-ECH Q51-JFK,BP or ENY (This one is very Tricky. BP is right there on linden in the middle of the route, Could deadhead to BP like the Q110, The western terminal is not far from ENY or JFK depot) Q52-JFK/FR Q53-LGA Q54-FP Q55-FP Q56-ENY Q57-BP or QV (BP deadhead isn't far since the western terminal is where the Q112 terminates, QV could get this route since it's also not too far from the depot at it's eastern terminal) Q58-FP Q59-GA Q60-JFK Q61-CS Q62-CS Q63-LGA? GA? (this one is tricky) Q65-CP Q66-CP Q67-LGA Q68-LGA or GA Q69-LGA Q70-LGA Q72-LGA Q73-QV Q75-JA Q76-CS Q77-JA Q78-CS or JFK (JFK is very close to the southern terminal of this route) Q80-FP Q82-QV Q83-QV Q84-JA Q85-JA Q86-JA Q88-QV Q98-CS or FP (This one is very tricky) Q104-LGA Q105-LGA Q109-JFK (I think JFK would get this route, But BP could also get it) Q111-BP Q114-BP Q115-BP B53-ENY or GA B57-GA or FP B62-GA Express routes stay at their Depots that they are at currently New Express route QM65- BP (fills the void of losing the Q64 and the BP would make the best sense because the depot is right there not to far from the terminal and the fact they are reducing the QM21 makes it obvious BP is getting the QM65.) I just don't want bus B/O's getting screwed because I know put's NYCT on top while Bus company is at the very bottom. This whole thing is going to be a big mess since Queens have different unions. I don't want to hear about NYCT, MaBstoa and Bus company merging because I heard that same rumor for 14 years now. It's kind of trucky bc some buses have to move around to make due for service. That said: Q14-difficult since it has depots on both sides. Since it replaced the north half of the Q38, I see it at LG. Q23-only reason I say CP is bc resources for the Q50 have to be moved from LG (see below) Q38-makes sense to keep it at CP for reasons mentioned above. Q45-Replacement of the Q36/79. Makes sense Q46/48-it speaks for itself Q50-has to be based out of ECH especially assuming there will be no layovers at LGA. Similar to the end days of the QBx1, resources from LGA Depot have to be moved to ECH to meet up with demand. Q51- difficult to pinpoint, but seeing the Q110 is discontinued I see resources for the Q110 being moved to the Q51, basing it out of BP Q57-Only reason I say it would be a QV route is bc not only would the Q51 be taking resources for the Q110, due to the length of the route it would make sense to take Q112 resources too. Q61/62-not that I need to mention them but they are basic northern legs of the Q16 so yeah. Q63-I would see either CP or LGA operating it, more the former than latter Q68-this is a rerouted Q101 so this route is basically gonna have the same depot, LGA Q73-agreed with it being a QV route Q75-Original route would have made sense to be at JA too Q78-Makes too much sense to be at QV Q80-this is basically a reformed Q29 if you think about it. LGA. Q82/86-Basically a rerouted Q2/5 respectively. Let them stay in their home routes' home. Q98-do I even need to say it? Q105-like how it basically combined the Q100/102. Another obvious one. Q109-JFK would make sense. Another (albeit unlikely) choice if they choose to go with it is BP. Q115-its the Q111 Short turn B53-the only Brooklyn route I'll cover. Depending on how they choose to handle the Brooklyn redesign, it could be an ENY route or they could base it out of LGA or CS (also depending on how they wanna redistribute the resources). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2027 Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: Potential Bus Depot list of redesigned routes Q1-QV JFK loses the Q6 but gains more buses for the extended Q10 and etc. (I still think this merge won't go through.) Q2-QV Q3-JA Q4-JA Q5-JA Q7-JFK Q8-JFK Q9-JFK Q10-JFk Q11-FR/JFK Q12-CS Q13-CS Q14-FP or LGA (the Eliot ave part of the Q38, Could be FP since this is a new route) Q16-CS Q17-CS (makes sense to move this to CS, It won't terminate in Jamaica anymore.) Q18-LGA Q19-CP Q20-CS Q21-FR/JFK Q22-FR Q23-LGA Q24-ENY Q25-CP Q26-QV (replaces the Q27) Q27-CS (Q27 goes back to CS, makes no sense for it to come out of QV) Q28-CS Q31-JA Q32-CS Q33-LGA Q35-FR Q37-JFK Q38-CP or LGA (Could go back to LGA or stay at CP) Q39-LGA Q40-JFK Q42-JA Q43-QV Q44-CS Q45-QV Q46/48-QV Q47-LGA Q49-LGA Q50-ECH Q51-JFK,BP or ENY (This one is very Tricky. BP is right there on linden in the middle of the route, Could deadhead to BP like the Q110, The western terminal is not far from ENY or JFK depot) Q52-JFK/FR Q53-LGA Q54-FP Q55-FP Q56-ENY Q57-BP or QV (BP deadhead isn't far since the western terminal is where the Q112 terminates, QV could get this route since it's also not too far from the depot at it's eastern terminal) Q58-FP Q59-GA Q60-JFK Q61-CS Q62-CS Q63-LGA? GA? (this one is tricky) Q65-CP Q66-CP Q67-LGA Q68-LGA or GA Q69-LGA Q70-LGA Q72-LGA Q73-QV Q75-JA Q76-CS Q77-JA Q78-CS or JFK (JFK is very close to the southern terminal of this route) Q80-FP Q82-QV Q83-QV Q84-JA Q85-JA Q86-JA Q88-QV Q98-CS or FP (This one is very tricky) Q104-LGA Q105-LGA Q109-JFK (I think JFK would get this route, But BP could also get it) Q111-BP Q114-BP Q115-BP B53-ENY or GA B57-GA or FP B62-GA Express routes stay at their Depots that they are at currently New Express route QM65- BP (fills the void of losing the Q64 and the BP would make the best sense because the depot is right there not to far from the terminal and the fact they are reducing the QM21 makes it obvious BP is getting the QM65.) I just don't want bus B/O's getting screwed because I know put's NYCT on top while Bus company is at the very bottom. This whole thing is going to be a big mess since Queens have different unions. I don't want to hear about NYCT, MaBstoa and Bus company merging because I heard that same rumor for 14 years now. Where does Spring Creek fit in any of these equations? Because if it can’t for fill it’s role in the Queens Division, it needs to go back to Brooklyn Division, and don’t tell me only because the BM5 makes a handful of stops on Woodhaven they get designated Queens Division status. There are several routes SC could get it hands on work under the Re-design plan. The Q51 I definitely see happening, Q109 is another one. Worse case scenario, SC is going back to Brooklyn Division and will possibly get work under the Brooklyn plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2028 Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: I made a list of the routes on which Depots they could come out of, I wonder if i should post it here or in a separate thread? Nothing much changes with an exception of the merged or new routes. I think the majority of the routes will still be at their respective depots. I kind of beat you to it lol I guess in the Manhattan redesign, we'll see those East Elmhurst-Bryant Park and Woodside-Columbus Circle routes. Anyway... Q1-QV or JFK with possible short turns at 179 or Jamaica LIRR. I just looked at this and WHY?!!!! Q2-QV Q3-JA Q4-JA. I like the extension to Elmont and keeps the overnight service Q5-JA I would have kept them separate. Not have the Q85/86 run to Green Acres 24/7 Q7-Again with ending this route in Cedarhurst? I would send it to Cedarhurst LIRR. JFK, BP or possibly ENY Q8-Better than Brookdale Hospital. JFK or ENY Q9-Long needed an extension south of Rockaway Blvd. I think I'm ok with it ending with the Q37. JFK Q10-Another WHY?!!! Is there a huge demand for Electchester-JFK service? I see possible short turns at Union or 71. The unions will have a field day with this. BP or JFK Q11-JFK. I think it should have service north of Rockaway not just the Q21 being the sole local Q12-CS. I like the switch with the Q13 west of 165 Q13-CS Q14-LGA or FP Q16-Branches discontinued and ends at the current Q31 terminal, but extended west to serve Skyview. CS Q17-No service south of Fresh Meadows, but extended north to College Point. CS or CP Q18-LGA. Goes straight down 65 Pl Q19-LGA or CS. I like the expanded service span, but ending it at the former Q14 terminal, ehhh Q20-CS. I feel Briarwood is too abrupt. Maybe send it to Jamaica LIRR? Q21-JFK or LGA since it's going to Jackson Hts now Q22-FR. It was bound to get cut back to Rockaway Park and have the Q35 the sole option. Extending it off the Peninsula to Five Town? No Q23-LGA or QV. No service south of Forest Hills, but becomes the 108 St bus and extended east to Fresh Meadows Q24-ENY. No longer serves Jamaica Hospital, no service west of Broadway Junction. The map looks like Parsons/89 (like the B22 days), but the stop listing has it ending at Merrick/Archer as it does now Q25-CP, CS or JAM. I don't like this going down Merrick bit. I guess those SBS plans are scrapped now. Eliminates the Q34 in the process Q26-QV, since it will get back off peak and weekend service for the first time since 1995. Or stay at Casey Stengel Q27-CP or CS, since it's cut back to the former Q75 terminal and extended north the current Q65 terminal. Q28-CS Q31-CS. Making this a Utopia route. Q32-CS or possibly go back to MJQ Q33-LGA Q35-FR. No bus service on Newport Q37-JFK. So it goes back to serving the Casino. Rerouted in South Ozone Park to cover the loss the Q10 local Q38-LGA or FP. Cut in half Q39-LGA or GA. Extended north to Astoria, but no service south of Maspeth and no longer serves Queens Plaza Q40-JFK, cut back to Sutphin Stupid thing still says South Jamaica. SMH Q42-JA. Gets weekend service restored for the first time since 1995. Why Jamaica Hospital of all places? Q43-Stays as is, but goes to LIJ instead of Manhasset North Shore. QV Q44-CS. Extended to Fordham Plaza, becomes the second Queens bus to connect with Bee Line Q45-QV. I guess the decided to give LNP bus service after all. Screw Marathon Pkwy! Q46-QV Q47-LGA or FP. Doesn't serve Craplas, I mean Atlas Park anymore. Goes straight down 69, still serves Bulova though Q48-QV. I suppose it will better than it's previous incarnation Q49-LGA. Extended east to 108 Q50-CS or GH. If it were local, I would have added LGA and/or Eastchester. Only serves Co-Op during rush hour. Will get 24/7 service. Possible short trips at Flushing Q51-I call this tricky at best. JA, JFK or ENY. The map has it ending at Springfield/120 but the stop listing has at the current Q4 terminal. Makes me wonder is Linden being oversaturated east of Merrick Q52-JFK/LGA since it will extended north to Jackson Hts/Victor Moore. Any room left? Q53-LGA. See my comments for the Q52 Q54-FP Q55-FP. I like the extension to Jamaica Q56-ENY Q57. Another tricky one. BP since it is replacing two routes (110 and 112) or go to QV. I see possible short trips at 179 and/or Jamaica LIRR Q58-FP. Rerouted in Corona Q59-GA. Goes back to making a U-turn at 63 Dr. Also goes straight to Williamsburg Q60-JFK. Goes back to Manhattan Q61-CS. One of the former Q16 branches Q62-CS Q63-So they scrapped the through Broadway route for this. I see it coming from CP or LGA. I think Woodhaven or 63 Dr would have been better Q65-Better than that Beechhurst-St Albans route. I think it should stay at Jamaica station though Q66-CP. Extended west to Hunters Point Q67-LGA. Extended south to Ridgewood since it swapped with the Q39 Q68-LGA or GA. No longer goes to Hazen St Q69-LGA. Extended south to Hunters Point and no longer serves Queens Plaza Q70-LGA Q72-LGA. Goes back to Airport and extended to Queens Ctr Q73-LGA or QV Q75-QV or JA. I thought it would run Weekdays like the current Q30 to QCC. I like this better than the former incarnation Q76-CS. No longer run on CIP Q77-JA, No service south of Merrick Q78-QV, JA or JFK Q80-LGA Q82-QV. Could have just kept it as Q36 Q83-JA or QV. Looks like it would no longer serve Queens Village LIRR during late nights. No service west of Jamaica Center Q84-JA. Goes back to 238. Why was it cut short at Springfield is beyond me Q85-JA. I guess those Rochdale short turns are gone? Glad it stays on Merrick instead of going to Brewer Q86-JA. Better than being a Rosedale shuttle Q88-QV. Becomes the thorough Horace Harding route, maybe an extension to Manhasset? Becomes 24/7 in the process Q98-FP or CS. Q104-LGA. Extended west to Roosevelt Island Q105-LGA. 21 St loses "their" route to Rikers Q109-BP or JFK Q111-BP Q114-BP. I would have just kept it as the Q113 Q115-BP B53-ENY or GA. Something told me some funky rendition of the B40 was gonna return B57-GA. Extended to Jackson Hts, but no service south of Downtown Brooklyn. I knew this was gonna happen B62-GA. Extended north to Astoria. No longer serves Queens Plaza, but will serve Court Square and Queensbridge 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2029 Posted April 3, 2022 I think the last thing we need are depot predictions, because we have another year or two of drafts coming before its all said and done. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2030 Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, B35 via Church said: Good chance it's because they plan on axing the B46 & B47 off Broadway.... They're already proposing the Q24 be cut back from Lafayette/Patchen to Broadway Junction... Again.... I see the B47 broken up in the Brooklyn redesign. Probably some vestige of the B78 returns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2031 Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, B35 via Church said: Good chance it's because they plan on axing the B46 & B47 off Broadway.... They're already proposing the Q24 be cut back from Lafayette/Patchen to Broadway Junction... Again.... The irony is that the Broadway portion of the Q24 performs much better now than it used to, before the Q24 got cut back to Broadway Junction the first time.... As was said, I can pretty much guarantee that B53 is being used to kill off the B46's & the B47's stint along Broadway... Running the B62 up 21st to Astoria is the excuse they'll use to do away with the B32... I'd say that B53 runs along the waterfront up there for no other reason than to avoid redundancy with said B62.... Too bad the Williamsburg portion of the B32 is the weakest half of the route ... All in all, IDC how much they wanna cut stops, that B53 is going to be slow as shit from start to finish - from the truck traffic along Greenpoint av, to the myriad of taxi's picking up/dropping ppl off in the woke part of Williamsburg (can't forget the detours, because some steven spielberg wannabe is shooting some indie film in that same part of Williamsburg), to the slow crawl/stall the vast majority of Broadway already is.... Good lord.... Whatever whoever that thought up that particular proposal was smoking, I want noooo part of the second hand smoke of that shit! I could see this whole B53 plan go right back to the drawing board once again. No matter what the situation will hold. i could see B46 local cut to Eastern Parkway or Fulton Street , SBS runs 24/7 to Dekalb/Kosciusko. B47 may terminate at Gates Avenue to Rutland Road. A possible return of the B78 and streamlined into Canarsie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2032 Posted April 3, 2022 As far as the B47 goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see it lose its Broadway service, but I expect that to be contingent on how valuable Woodhull is considered. (The loss of B46 service, on the other hand, is definitely something I agree will happen irrespective of that B53 proposal.) Now that I think about it, what are the odds that the MTA will try to fold the B84 into the Q8? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2033 Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, B35 via Church said: Good chance it's because they plan on axing the B46 & B47 off Broadway.... They're already proposing the Q24 be cut back from Lafayette/Patchen to Broadway Junction... Again.... The irony is that the Broadway portion of the Q24 performs much better now than it used to, before the Q24 got cut back to Broadway Junction the first time.... As was said, I can pretty much guarantee that B53 is being used to kill off the B46's & the B47's stint along Broadway... Running the B62 up 21st to Astoria is the excuse they'll use to do away with the B32... I'd say that B53 runs along the waterfront up there for no other reason than to avoid redundancy with said B62.... Too bad the Williamsburg portion of the B32 is the weakest half of the route ... All in all, IDC how much they wanna cut stops, that B53 is going to be slow as shit from start to finish - from the truck traffic along Greenpoint av, to the myriad of taxi's picking up/dropping ppl off in the woke part of Williamsburg (can't forget the detours, because some steven spielberg wannabe is shooting some indie film in that same part of Williamsburg), to the slow crawl/stall the vast majority of Broadway already is....Good I fully agree with what you think they are planning to do. I forgot the B47 runs along Broadway to Woodhull Hospital, and somehow I overlooked their plans to cut the Q24 again. And they have the nerve to say the draft is based on customer feedback. What about the feedback that led to the restoration of the Q24? Did they forget that. Duplicating the J with a bus route makes zero sense, but of course it’s done to save money. Then when no one uses the B53 because the subway is quicker, then they have an excuse to cut it back to Williamsburg Plaza. Same with Q56. When stops are removed there is no reason to take the bus anymore, then they can propose elimination there to. If it makes sense to duplicate the J, what is the excuse for not running a bus along the length of McDonald? During the over 30 years I have been dealing with them, whenever I proposed a new service, they would always ask “how do you know there is any demand? Well, I would like to see their data that shows demand for a direct bus route from Broadway Junction to Sunnyside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2034 Posted April 3, 2022 2 hours ago, B35 via Church said: The SE Queens folks will have that Q78 for service to/from QCC... Anyway, while the current Q27 from end to end does too much & has too many patterns (in terms of short turns), I'm uneasy with this whole Q26/Q27 bit they have proposed for some reason.... I'm not sure what you're saying regarding the Q26 though, as the proposed Q26 doesn't run to Jamaica.... It's essentially a Q27 that takes 73rd av & Hollis Court blvd. to get to Flushing, running b/w Cambria Hgts. & Flushing... Basically a QCC bypass... To clarify, I mean Jamaica Av (& Springfield) not Jamaica the neighborhood. My bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 3, 2022 Share #2035 Posted April 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, BrooklynBus said: I fully agree with what you think they are planning to do. I forgot the B47 runs along Broadway to Woodhull Hospital, and somehow I overlooked their plans to cut the Q24 again. And they have the nerve to say the draft is based on customer feedback. What about the feedback that led to the restoration of the Q24? Did they forget that. Duplicating the J with a bus route makes zero sense, but of course it’s done to save money. Then when no one uses the B53 because the subway is quicker, then they have an excuse to cut it back to Williamsburg Plaza. Same with Q56. When stops are removed there is no reason to take the bus anymore, then they can propose elimination there to. If it makes sense to duplicate the J, what is the excuse for not running a bus along the length of McDonald? During the over 30 years I have been dealing with them, whenever I proposed a new service, they would always ask “how do you know there is any demand? Well, I would like to see their data that shows demand for a direct bus route from Broadway Junction to Sunnyside. Count the number of ADA compliant train stations along the route and you will see what I've seen since I first saw the proposal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2036 Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: Q20/Q44: lol @ the Q44 they finally did it. Q20s at Briarwood makes more sense, they carried air east of there. Can't speak about College Point, though 20 Av is just a bunch of big box stores that I can't imagine had high ridership anyways. 7 hours ago, B35 via Church said: Agree with your Q20 assessment... I've also called for scaling back Q20's to Briarwood subway in the past, because there's far too many people in Jamaica gunning for Q44's - it's as if the Q20 is a straight up afterthought... Doesn't help that the Q20 tends to crawl from start to finish, and I started noticing that shit in the early 2010's along Main st in-particular... Like b/o's were being told to do that, to make the Q44 more appealing (is how it seemed to me).... The Q20B should've been stopped being a thing, and as far as the Q20a goes, you simply don't see that consistently moderate-to-somewhat heavy patronage b/w Flushing & that shopping ctr. in College Point along 20th av much anymore.... I still can't agree with ending the Q20 at Briarwood. Granted there isn't high usage to Jamaica like Flushing, but I ride the Q20 regularly enough on both ends of the line to know that people especially those getting on south of Union Tpk are going to Jamaica. The bus regularly dumps out at Sutphin Blvd. Especially with stops north of Sutphin on the Q44 being more spaced out the Q20 has it's own ridership albeit not as big as 44, but not enough where it's not useless. The only time I see empty Q20's going east/south are when they're in close proximity to the Q44. Going west/north the are usually people waiting for only the Q20 as well as those who just want whatever comes first the Q44 already suffers from reliability issues and the Q20 helps a lot to pick up the slack. Having the Q20 end at Briarwood will make it more of an afterthought that it already is. Also for Sutphin Blvd. on page 15/16 it is noted that it is one of the corridors that the DOT is looking to improve for buses. So I'd expect something is coming down the line to make the situation better there. For the north end the shopping center is a regular ridership generator for the Q20a with people going towards Flushing. Granted it's not a massive amount of people getting on or off there but there aren't really many buses line you'll see crowded as it get further from the subway. Granted the Q20 doesn't need to be the route that goes there as it not the most efficient route. But is should still have a line that goes to Flushing. IIRC someone here mentioned earlier that the Q25 should be extended to 20th Ave. Edited April 4, 2022 by IAlam clarity and typos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2037 Posted April 4, 2022 5 hours ago, B35 via Church said: The irony is that the Broadway portion of the Q24 performs much better now than it used to, before the Q24 got cut back to Broadway Junction the first time.... Should read "...performs much better usage-wise now than it used to..." 4 hours ago, Future ENY OP said: Where does Spring Creek fit in any of these equations? Because if it can’t for fill it’s role in the Queens Division, it needs to go back to Brooklyn Division, and don’t tell me only because the BM5 makes a handful of stops on Woodhaven they get designated Queens Division status. There are several routes SC could get it hands on work under the Re-design plan. The Q51 I definitely see happening, Q109 is another one. Worse case scenario, SC is going back to Brooklyn Division and will possibly get work under the Brooklyn plan. What current Queens route do you think should run out of Spring Creek though? 4 hours ago, Q43LTD said: Q7-Again with ending this route in Cedarhurst? I would send it to Cedarhurst LIRR. JFK, BP or possibly ENY Q10-Another WHY?!!! Is there a huge demand for Electchester-JFK service? I see possible short turns at Union or 71. The unions will have a field day with this. BP or JFK Q51-I call this tricky at best. JA, JFK or ENY. The map has it ending at Springfield/120 but the stop listing has at the current Q4 terminal. Makes me wonder is Linden being oversaturated east of Merrick Q7: Ending it anywhere in Cedarhurst won't make a difference.... There is more demand for Inwood over Cedarhurst anyway & I still wouldn't end a bus route in Inwood... They pigeonholed themselves with that Q7, to where running it to Far Rockaway (from Lane HS/75th st ) would make the thing unmanageable as a local route... Q10: Lol at the unions comment.... Q51: Can't see this running out of ENY... I'd say JA, mainly because it wouldn't be farfetched for them to interline Q4's with Brooklyn bound Q51's... 4 hours ago, Q43LTD said: I see the B47 broken up in the Brooklyn redesign. Probably some vestige of the B78 returns 4 hours ago, Future ENY OP said: B47 may terminate at Gates Avenue to Rutland Road. A possible return of the B78 and streamlined into Canarsie I'd like to see a B78 reversion (as this B47 has been a mess since it was created), but I'm not holding my breath for it.... Hope you two are right with that though... While unrelated, what I see more happening, is the finally getting a route running clear along Penn. av..... Being that the B20 is yet another route that runs along Broadway in some capacity, I can see them phasing that route out also, due to the proposed B53.... 4 hours ago, Lex said: As far as the B47 goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see it lose its Broadway service, but I expect that to be contingent on how valuable Woodhull is considered. (The loss of B46 service, on the other hand, is definitely something I agree will happen irrespective of that B53 proposal.) Now that I think about it, what are the odds that the MTA will try to fold the B84 into the Q8? The same lack of a surprise I had when it came to the B46-SBS' stopping dead at Dekalb.... Can't sell speed & efficiency in their further waxing poetic of an SBS route, when it's too busy crawling along Broadway..... Anyway, as far as the B84, I can see them axing that route wholesale (meaning, without any direct replacement).... 3 hours ago, BrooklynBus said: I fully agree with what you think they are planning to do. I forgot the B47 runs along Broadway to Woodhull Hospital, and somehow I overlooked their plans to cut the Q24 again. And they have the nerve to say the draft is based on customer feedback. What about the feedback that led to the restoration of the Q24? Did they forget that. Duplicating the J with a bus route makes zero sense, but of course it’s done to save money. Then when no one uses the B53 because the subway is quicker, then they have an excuse to cut it back to Williamsburg Plaza. Same with Q56. When stops are removed there is no reason to take the bus anymore, then they can propose elimination there to. If it makes sense to duplicate the J, what is the excuse for not running a bus along the length of McDonald? During the over 30 years I have been dealing with them, whenever I proposed a new service, they would always ask “how do you know there is any demand? Well, I would like to see their data that shows demand for a direct bus route from Broadway Junction to Sunnyside. Yeah, the hypocrisy's been strong with the MTA... Once upon a time, they proposed axing the B25, Bx4, & the Q56 - but here they are straight up proposing a route that runs clear under the from B'way Junction to Marcy.... If this B53 ever comes to fruition, I don't see it lasting longer than one of the routes they're having it partially replace (as in, the B32, which is almost a decade old).... You have people in here alone (myself included) bringing up suggestions on how they can build up the B32 (by having it be a WBP-Astoria route) As far as these system-wide stop removals, that's my main concern - waning usage on some of these proposed routes in this Queens redesign (compared to the routes they're supposed to serve as replacements to), to the point where it makes it that much easier (to them) to call for their extinction... Basically setting those proposed routes up to fail.... People need to take the blinders off & stop being so gullible & realize this agency isn't for the riding public as much as they let on.... Customer feedback... Lol.... How could the first draft been based on customer feedback, when it was (actual) customer feedback that was against a significant portion of the redesign... More like, they were throwing shit on a wall & hoping all of it would stick... Aint no rider suggest pigeonholing routes into one of 4 categories, with this whole red/green/purple/blue bit..... Glad that Jackson Heights/Queens CB 3 came out/represented the way they did.... 4 minutes ago, IAlam said: I still can't agree with ending the Q20 at Briarwood. Granted there isn't high usage to Jamaica like Flushing, but I ride the Q20 regularly enough on both ends of the line to know that people especially those getting on south of Union Tpk are going to Jamaica at the very least Sutphin as that's where the bus regularly dumps out. Especially with stops north of Sutphin on the Q44 being more spaced out the Q20 has it's own ridership albeit not as big as 44 but not enough where it's useless. The only time I see empty Q20's going east/south are when they're in close proximity to the Q44, going west/north the are usually people waiting for only the Q20 as well as those who just want whatever comes first. Also for Sutphin Blvd. on page 15/16 it is noted that it is one of the corridors that the DOT is looking to improve for buses. So I'd expect something is coming down the line to make the situation better there. For the north end the shopping center is a regular ridership generator for the Q20a with people going towards Flushing. Granted it's not a massive amount of people getting on or off there but there aren't really many buses line you'll see crowded as it get further from the subway. Granted the Q20 doesn't need to be the route that goes there as it not the most efficient route. But is should still have a line that goes to Flushing. IIRC someone here mentioned earlier that the Q25 should be extended to 20th Ave. At the same time, I can be around Jamaica/Sutphin or Archer/Sutphin & watch like 80-90% of people waiting for buses gun for the NB Q44, while letting Q20's that arrive first pass them by, without a care in the world... Even being an artic route, it's crazy how fast Q44's fill up in Jamaica.... I can sympathize with wanting to keep Q20's in Jamaica (as I wouldn't want to have to fight to get on a bus, or walk too far to catch one either), but over the course of time, I've seen way too many basically empty, or buses turning off Sutphin at Hillside with no more than 1/4 of the bus filled on the Q20... And that usage seems to get gradually worse as time progresses.... The Q20 tends to crawl for no apparent reason & it's maddening to me... I'm usually the person that prefers taking locals over skip stop services (non-fanning purposes, I mean), but it's like every time I ride the Q20 (regardless of direction), I'm like, man, come the f*** on with this.... What the hell is the holdup.... Mitchell Gardens is more of a ridership gen' than that shopping center is nowadays... This can be said for most malls/shopping centers nowadays I guess, but even well before covid & the online shopping boom, the demand to that shopping center just isn't the same as it used to be, where it was undeniably noticeable to see a sizable amt. of people taking Q20a's (and Q76's) to/from there.... As for what, from Flushing, should perhaps run there, I would ideally have that Q17 divert onto 20th for the sole purpose of serving it (because they're not going to get people to walk up/down that incline on 20th from the proposed stop at 130th/20th to get to/from it) - but the access lanes in/out of the mall itself isn't conducive to having buses either stopping inside it, and/or looping in/out of..... Extending the Q25 would be another idea, but where would it terminate? With the Q76? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2038 Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, R32 3838 said: I don't want to hear about NYCT, MaBstoa and Bus company merging because I heard that same rumor for 14 years now with all due respect to everyone on this board, I would hope people understand history dictating a process such as this. from the creation of MaBSTOA in 1962, to the takeover of Avenue B & Broadway in the 1980's, to the finality of the NYCTA/MaBSTOA consolidation pick process in the early 2000's took approx. 40+ years. yes, Bus Company will be around for a hot minute. it'll pretty much take all the pre-consolidation (incumbent) employees retiring on all 3 sides in order for this process to "begin". by the way, in my opinion, i firmly believe that a full surface transit merger won't happen until I'm a retiree in approx. 2042 (God willing) bringing it back to the topic at hand, i do however feel as if the network redesigns in some small way (specifically in reference to Queens) is a way to adjust the workforce numbers in favor of TA Queens (ATU 1056) as opposed to Bus Company (TWU & ATU 1179). as has been pointed out, its hella early to conjure up an adequate depot assignment list, however, i will say that in my personal opinion, i do see the runs/lines favoring NYCTA Queens Division. just though I'd add these points Edited April 4, 2022 by EastFlatbushLarry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2039 Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 5:25 PM, Around the Horn said: B44-SBS to Q35 seems fine to me... The B44 SBS serves a small portion of Sheepshead Bay, so the only ones who have two bus access to Rockaway are those who live along its corridor or along the Avenue Cortidor. Everyone else needs three buses and four buses if you are going past B116 St. A direct route along the Belt Parkway with an exclusive lane on the shoulder, to Sheepshead Bay Station would provide one or two bus access between Brooklyn and Rockaway to a much larger group of people. Riders will not take more than two buses and pay double fare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2040 Posted April 4, 2022 If you haven't yet signed the petition against mass removal of bus stops, please read it now along with the updates. If you don't agree, you may change your mind. There are better ways to speed buses without bus stop removal. We now have over 2,100 signatures. You should also look at the reasons given for signing. I sent a copy to the MTA. If we don't stop them now, we can expect the same for Brooklyn and Staten Island. The time savings is exaggerated and they are only doing this to save money, not to help passengers. Don't believe their propaganda. Also, please share the petition on social media. Thanks. https://www.change.org/p/mta-oppose-the-mta-s-plan-to-eliminate-bus-stops/dashboard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2041 Posted April 4, 2022 I have not seen any notes regarding bus service during the school year AM/PM arrival and dismissal rush. Are those going to be accounted for in the redesign or is it just generic headways? Also noticed that the redesign Q76 no longer has that branch which services Bayside HS during those times as well as losing Q31 service through there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2042 Posted April 4, 2022 13 hours ago, B35 via Church said: The SE Queens folks will have that Q78 for service to/from QCC... Anyway, while the current Q27 from end to end does too much & has too many patterns (in terms of short turns), I'm uneasy with this whole Q26/Q27 bit they have proposed for some reason.... I'm not sure what you're saying regarding the Q26 though, as the proposed Q26 doesn't run to Jamaica.... It's essentially a Q27 that takes 73rd av & Hollis Court blvd. to get to Flushing, running b/w Cambria Hgts. & Flushing... Basically a QCC bypass... So looking more into this, I get what I deserve for looking at this PDF before the morning coffee. The route by route for the Q26/27 doesn't mention the Q78, and I skipped over the map on page 35. It's pretty shitty IMO that the full map is buried in a 515 page PDF, and even in the "high-res" version it isn't particularly easy to read. --- The Q78 is a good idea. Personally, I still don't think that people from 120 Av to Jamaica Av are really using the route to get to past QCC in large numbers, because it usually isn't the most direct way to get to those places from those routes. --- As far as other changes go, the one that sticks out to me is the Q88 and Q73. I think the Q73 is probably long overdue, as some kind of 73rd Av route. I'm not super convinced that this is the correct solution. What I observed when I rode the route was that a lot of people on the Q88 on both the 73rd and HHE portions, used it to go to the little shopping center on 188th St. The new route configurations more or less cut off both roads from direct access to the shopping center, and it's not that far of a walk, but I personally wouldn't have made that decision. Also, I'm not sold on this whole HHE only thing; east of 188 there isn't a whole lot on HHE itself. (Also, I don't like the change because it would've made my personal trips to QCM more annoying, but that's me.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2043 Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) Some responses to either my previous comments or others: On 3/30/2022 at 8:33 AM, 7-express said: My take is that the Q62 should just be canned and the Q16 should go via Francis Lewis/Willets Point at all times to Fort Totten. The Crocheron end already gets covered by the Q28 so it's not really providing any new coverage. The Q61 should be moved from Fort Totten and instead should follow the QM20 routing down Willets Point to Utopia and then 26th Avenue to Bay Terrace. This would cover both legs of the current Q16 while expanding local service options along the QM20 corridor. On 3/30/2022 at 8:48 AM, Cain said: I agree with the Q16 opinions, they should repurpose the buses from Q62 to other needed areas in NE Queens - just let Q16 continue serving Ft Totten up Utopia. Having Q16, 61, 62, and 28 turning into Union St is always problematic - it needs some transit priority. The buses gets bogged down with traffic significantly and the police station there think they can park their cars anywhere and everywhere. Since the Q61 serves Willets Point Boulevard, I would have the Q16 Utopia Parkway instead. That's the way I see, I personally don't see the need to have the Q61 mimic the QM20 in its service pattern. I don't really see too much demand for Bay Terrace Shopping Center from areas along Willets Point Boulevard. The QM20 is routed the way it is because of the nature of demand for its respective service type. You don't need to do that with the local routes to that degree because there's more demand to/from those neighborhoods. On 3/30/2022 at 6:14 PM, Union Tpke said: Here are some random thoughts: It is odd that the Q60 still goes to South Jamaica. The Q20 should go to Union Turnpike, not Briarwood. The Q73 should be extended to Myrtle. Having a Queens route to Columbus Circle would be nice. The Q65 LTD seems to be eliminated, which isn't great. The B62, Q59, Q66 and Q68 need to be more frequent The B57 extension is great; good riddance to the section from the 2010 cuts. The Bx15 or Bx41 should be extended to LaGuardia The super-routes, like the Q25, Q1 and Q10 won't work without bus priority Weekend service needs to be much better across the board, including on the Q23 and Q54 The Q25 needs to run every 6 minutes off-peak, more frequently on weekends I don't like that the Francis Lewis Blvd crosstown was eliminated I love the consolidation of local and limited-stop routes The Q73 needs to get off Austin Street It doesn't seem great that the Q23 loses the transfer to the 7 at 111th. I love the through-running routes in Jamaica/Flushing to reduce layover congestion. I love the reroute of the Q47 off congested Roosevelt Avenue, and the Q53 cutback Q60: Yeah, I think the route is long enough to where it should terminate at the LIRR station. I would terminate it on Archer Avenue, at the existing Q30/Q31 stop. Q20: I also agree with sending it Union Turnpike . Q73: I'm not quite sure why it should go to Myrtle Avenue. I personally don't see the point of such extension. Also, if the Q73 is rerouted off Austin Street, where would it run, Queens Boulevard? It would miss that whole commercial section of Austin Street, and I don't really agree with that swap. Plus, you either you would have to detour south and U-turn back north on Queens Boulevard (headed eastbound) because you can't turn from the EB service road to 108th Street, or you would have to operate on the Main Road and basically have no correspond replacement stops for Austin Street. Same situation for westbound buses, but at Yellowstone Boulevard. Q65: I get the concern, although it looks like they're cutting the frequencies enough to where having LTD service would mean long waits for the local. In order to decrease the headways to 5 minutes (which is what it currently is during rush hours combined), is something I have already brought up. I have already outlined the route changes I made in a previous (via Roosevelt & Northern to 162 St instead of via Sanford & 162 St), and also consolidate the Q42 and Q65, with the 65 running to Addisleigh Park instead of out to Liberty and Farmers as the local to the Q83. From there, you would have the following pattern during rush hours: Local - Flushing Main Street to Jamaica Center, every 10 minutes LTD - Flushing Main Street to Addisleigh Park, every 10 minutes (local stops south/east of Jamaica Center) Then during off peak hours everything operates local. This would mean riders along the Q42 would have 24/7 service and more frequent service throughout the day, and the Q42 resources would be freed up for other uses elsewhere. I've actually decided to make a map for this, so this is how'd it would look. B62, B57: What I don't like about their B62 and B57 proposals is they drop both from the Farragut Houses. I would keep one, and the be okay with the other skipping it. I initially considered that the B62 should serve it (and more of Jay Street), but I'm actually thinking the B57 should be the route to do so, to maintain direct access to Woodhull Hospital (which the B62 does not come close to serving). That way, the B62 operates on Park Avenue (as is), but without serving the Farragut Houses and going directly into Downtown Brooklyn. Since I also considered cutting the B62 back to Queens Plaza, I also would have the B62 extended to cover the B57 south of Downtown Brooklyn, into Red Hook. I disagree with eliminating all bus service there, regardless if there's more subway ridership along Court Street. It's still a faster way to/from Red Hook houses, and people do take the route down there. Plus all the Williamsburg Hipsters and yuppies get direct access to IKEA with that swap. Since they tend to swoon over that type of stuff more than others, I actually think that there's a chance that if you have the bus reading 'RED HOOK IKEA' it can catch on, especially since getting there is kinda annoying to do on the subway. LGA - Bronx Route: If I had to choose between any of the two, it would be the Bx15 (since it ultimately appears that Bx15 buses to Manhattan are no more), and because it serves areas where demand from the Bronx to LGA actually is. Personally though the Bx15 should not have been truncated out of Manhattan. That M125 was unnecessary, at worst I would have truncated the Bx15 to Lenox Avenue. However, I would also potentially look at creating a separate route for that purpose (for reliability purposes) from The Hub. General Points: I personally don't like a lot of the routes going through Jamaica and Flushing, some of them okay, but ones like the Q1 and the Q25 shouldn't have been a thing. That Francis Lewis Boulevard route (QT73) was not going to work and would have been a disservice for those people. I don't have a strong opinion on the Q47 via Woodside, but I'm not against it for because the B57 is running there, I get the reasoning though. If the B57 wasn't there covering that portion of 69th Street, I actually may have been against it. On 3/30/2022 at 6:55 PM, R32 3838 said: The Only issue is that the doesn't serve briarwood during the day, Only the . Only Off peak and Weekends the serves briarwood. I think that's why he thinks union turnpike is a better terminal since you can connect to both the 24/7. On 3/30/2022 at 7:13 PM, Cait Sith said: The way I see it, that's a pretty minor issue. riders in Jamaica can just get the Q44, and riders from Manhattan and from Western Queens can just transfer to the . The other problem with the Union Turnpike terminal(if what he's suggesting is Queens Blvd) is that it'll overcrowd the area with buses. With the two Union Turnpike Variants, the Q23 and the Q60, there's gonna be a lot going through that area, and the old Q74 terminal was just stupid with the turnaround altogether. I'm actually with R32 3838 on this one, but for several other reasons. The runtime from Main Street & Union Turnpike to either station would be about the same, so with Union Turnpike, not only do riders get both the and directly (and at all times), but it also means less travel time on the subway (and catching the bus). For those who haven't used or don't frequent Briarwood, exiting the station can be messy and it takes a while (for the most part, no matter what way you exist) due to the station layout. That eats up time, which can make one miss the bus. Additionally, Union Turnpike subway station is around various office spaces, within walking distance of several schools and academic buildings, Queens Borough Hall, and Queens Criminal Court. So I actually think it's much more worthwhile to send buses to the QBL via Union Turnpike. The Q44 can take care of Briarwood and Jamaica. As far as the stops are concerned, the Q10 and Q23 (if it indeed remains combined as is) can stop with the Q60. Then you would have the Q46 use the LIJ stop, the Q48 use the Glen Oaks Stop, and the Q20 use the existing Q46 layover stop. On 4/1/2022 at 3:47 PM, Cait Sith said: -long rant- Forgot to mention the whole Q10/Q64 merger idea in my post.....I wasn't a fan of it before, and I'm not a fan of it now. Sending the Q64 further down Queens Blvd to where the rush hour Q10 local stop is at on Queens Blvd would make more sense than sending the Q10 all the way up there. The extension looks like one of those things that looks good on paper, but there's way too much variables that will make the line under-perform, especially the dwell time caused by subway riders going to the airport. It'll screw over both ridership bases already existing at Kew Gardens and at Forest Hills. There's a lot of untapped potential as to what the Q64 could be, but merging with the Q10 is definitely not the right idea...it'll screw over both ridership bases. With the Q25 solely serving Kissena as a limited with the Q17 running non-stop, those riders would want an alternative service along Kissena, the Q64 could compensate for that to/from Flushing, and it'll also directly serve Queens College students looking to go to Kew Gardens or Forest Hills instead of Jamaica. A route such as that would eliminate the backtracking a lot of people already have to do with the subway, and open up a lot more options for riders all around. Have it run from Kissena to Jewel, and then to Queens Blvd to the 80th Road stop where the local Q10s currently board. The turnaround on that end of the route wouldn't be complicated either. A better idea could've been drawn up for the Q64, especially now for some unknown reason, Jewel Avenue will have two local routes under this first draft, but merging it with the Q10 definitely ain't it. I'm not necessarily suggesting this, just stating that out any potential combo in that area, there would be some logic behind combining the Q23 with the Q10 in terms of connecting areas (108th Street segment with Kew Gardens, the entire neighborhood that is). However that would be one hell of a local route. Also, I'm guessing that they will be reverting back to some JFK Airport terminal in the future, so that would be even worse, LOL. I personally would route the Q23 down Yellowstone Boulevard and then either to Crescent Apartments or Atlas Park Mall. I guess since I brought it up, my one question regarding the proposed Q23 (regardless what happens south of Queens Boulevard), is whether it's necessary north of Roosevelt Avenue. Anyone else can chime in too, but I personally don't see it, the more I thought about it. You have the Q14 covering the existing Q23 route through to 43rd Ave, it doesn't serve 111th Street , and the Q19 has that section of 108th Street pretty much on lock. I would turn the Q23 on Roosevelt Avenue, to/from 103rd Street - Corona Plaza , and call it a day. Also, curious on that Q64 proposal. I actually do think there's demand for a Flushing to Forest Hills service, which was why I was glad when I saw they had one with the proposed QT86 (although it did have a backtrack) in the first draft. However, the one main concern is having Pomonok covered (I wouldn't leave that with anything), and the service levels on the Q64. You'd probably need to realign the Q73 in the process. Regarding Kissena Blvd service, I would personally would run Q25 local and LTD service during rush hours (and local at all other times). I would also split it apart from Merrick Boulevard service. That Merrick Boulevard portion can be named something else (Q87, in order to have a number around the others). As I've said before, during overnight hours the Q5 and Q85 can serve all local stops (and maybe some local service with all three running local during late evening hours, IDK). Edited April 4, 2022 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2044 Posted April 4, 2022 7 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said: with all due respect to everyone on this board, I would hope people understand history dictating a process such as this. from the creation of MaBSTOA in 1962, to the takeover of Avenue B & Broadway in the 1980's, to the finality of the NYCTA/MaBSTOA consolidation pick process in the early 2000's took approx. 40+ years. yes, Bus Company will be around for a hot minute. it'll pretty much take all the pre-consolidation (incumbent) employees retiring on all 3 sides in order for this process to "begin". by the way, in my opinion, i firmly believe that a full surface transit merger won't happen until I'm a retiree in approx. 2042 (God willing) bringing it back to the topic at hand, i do however feel as if the network redesigns in some small way (specifically in reference to Queens) is a way to adjust the workforce numbers in favor of TA Queens (ATU 1056) as opposed to Bus Company (TWU & ATU 1179). as has been pointed out, its hella early to conjure up an adequate depot assignment list, however, i will say that in my personal opinion, i do see the runs/lines favoring NYCTA Queens Division. just though I'd add these points They are also trying to change the loading guidelines on Bus to match that of NYCT, which could mean less service on Bus lines and less work for unions tied to Bus depots. I think the drivers out of those depots need to be more vigilant. Seems like very few bus operators are talking about it. There is one bus operator in one of the Redesign groups that doesn't seem to get it, talking about how it's fine to have longer waits on some lines because they already have it now (and I'm talking about local bus lines). I told him you don't realize that there would be less work to pick from with that set up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTA Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2045 Posted April 4, 2022 Why are several people saying that they should extend the Q44 to JFK? I just see no benefit for a line to go from Fordham to JFK via the Q44s routing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyjliradio Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2046 Posted April 4, 2022 https://www.facebook.com/groups/sanysr2r/permalink/1052276188830426/ we need to save northern bivd and 211 st because that stop 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2047 Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, NBTA said: Why are several people saying that they should extend the Q44 to JFK? I just see no benefit for a line to go from Fordham to JFK via the Q44s routing. Where is that being said? I haven't seen that anywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2048 Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, NBTA said: Why are several people saying that they should extend the Q44 to JFK? I just see no benefit for a line to go from Fordham to JFK via the Q44s routing. i really hope that hasn't picked up steam that quickly. i saw a YouTube video last night from someone (I refuse to plug that page) referencing the Queens redesign and suggested that albatross... that's all I've heard of it. i truly hope no one co-signs that gob shite. Edited April 4, 2022 by EastFlatbushLarry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2049 Posted April 4, 2022 8 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: As far as the stops are concerned, the Q10 and Q23 (if it indeed remains combined as is) can stop with the Q60. Then you would have the Q46 use the LIJ stop, the Q48 use the Glen Oaks Stop, and the Q20 use the existing Q46 layover stop. I guess since I brought it up, my one question regarding the proposed Q23 (regardless what happens south of Queens Boulevard), is whether it's necessary north of Roosevelt Avenue. Anyone else can chime in too, but I personally don't see it, the more I thought about it. You have the Q14 covering the existing Q23 route through to 43rd Ave, it doesn't serve 111th Street , and the Q19 has that section of 108th Street pretty much on lock. I would turn the Q23 on Roosevelt Avenue, to/from 103rd Street - Corona Plaza , and call it a day. Regarding Kissena Blvd service, I would personally would run Q25 local and LTD service during rush hours (and local at all other times). I would also split it apart from Merrick Boulevard service. That Merrick Boulevard portion can be named something else (Q87, in order to have a number around the others). As I've said before, during overnight hours the Q5 and Q85 can serve all local stops (and maybe some local service with all three running local during late evening hours, IDK). For the Q10 and Q23 proposal if it survived both redesigns the way it did, there a good chance regardless of how we feel the MTA won't budge. They were willing to make a lot of changes on a lot of lines but the fact they were still set on combining the Q10 and Q64 and the Q23 with Union Tpk is the second time around a good sign they might not budge at all. Honestly once people realize what the new Q14, Q19, and Q58 are doing the Q23 will become an afterthought in that area. I can't imagine the line getting much ridership north of the LIE in the long run. It'll become some combination of the northern part being over served and/or the southern part being underserved. I think most if not all of the rush routes should have some form of local version for late night and weekend service. It makes no sense to continue running express when demand is low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 4, 2022 Share #2050 Posted April 4, 2022 I don't understand the pushback against stop removals. It's usually one of the first things that comes up when this type of discussion comes up. And you'd be surprised how often transit comes up lol (Which is crazy considering most of the people I talk to are completely unwashed to the ins and outs of transit, or barely even think about it outside of their day to day) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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