Queens Bus Redesign Discussion Thread

[IAlam]

4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Sure... What neighborhood are you in? From there you can figure out what district you are in and who your reps are.

I'll send you a DM

[Via Garibaldi 8]

One other thing to note. If anyone is having issues accessing the Redesign website, it does crash sometimes. Supposedly the  is working on a plan to makes it easier to access the plan for each route.

[Gotham Bus Co.]

3 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Also, this:

 

Cypress Hills Street should be an issue since the will still be there.

 

I've been suggesting a "3-hour pass" for years. 

[Q43LTD]

I just love how the short turns get their own designation

[checkmatechamp13]

That Q1-Q6 combo seems like they just wanted to free up as many buses from terminating in Downtown Jamaica as possible. I think the proposed QT18 would've worked out better operationally (in terms of avoiding the heart of Downtown Jamaica), but the tradeoff of course is that people would've had to transfer at Jamaica Avenue.

I like the Q4 extension to Elmont, and the Q5 extension down to X63 territory. Gives people the option of catching the LIRR at Rosedale (especially with the Atlantic Ticket and expanded CityTicket).

The Q7 extension to the makes sense (With Crescent Street, I think the issue is that it's harder to find a suitable turnaround and layover location, so Eldert Lane is the next best alternative).

I suppose a Q8 extension to Livonia Avenue makes sense to connect those areas of Central Brooklyn with Jamaica. (I doubt the B6 & B15 will remain in their current forms after the Brooklyn redesign, but whatever bus connections are available after the redesign is implemented might be useful)

I definitely think the proposed QT47 via Lakewood Avenue & 130th Street was a better route than the present-day Q9. More centralized within the neighborhood, and down a more suitable street (130th Street is wider than Lincoln Street, and the Van Wyck Expressway divides the neighborhood in that area). Especially considering that it's being extended down 130th Street on the southern end anyway. If they're worried about reliability of service along Liberty Avenue, they can just add some "Q57" short-turns between Jamaica & Lefferts Blvd and call it a day.

Likewise, I think the QT46 was a better route than the present-day Q40. The proposed Q40 is going to be bypassing all of the stops along Lakewood Avenue anyway (except for 142nd/143rd Street). 

The Q10, I don't think it needs to be combined with the Q64, but as mentioned, there's a little bit of logic to the combination.

The Q11, should still be tied in with Woodhaven Blvd. I think leaving it as a standalone shuttle (especially at those frequencies) will just have people staying on the  train all the way to Howard Beach.

I think they still should've branched the Q12 and had some buses run along Marathon Parkway.

For the Q13, I think the QT51 routing (basically, a Crocheron/35th Avenue route) was fine. It just needed to run full-time.

Q14 is good.

The Q16/61/62 split doesn't make any sense. I think the original plan for the QT85 (basically, a Q16/Q28 combination) was a good idea. And then just run the QT48/49 (proposed Q61/62) full-time.

Q17 is generally good, but I'd run it along 132nd Street instead of 127th Street between 14th Avenue and 20th Avenue, to maintain the direct connection from Flushing to the College Point Shopping Center, and also keep the Q17 along a wider street.

Q18 streamlining in Maspeth makes sense.

Nice to see the Q19 get a span extension, but it's a shame it will come at the expense of a slower route from Corona to Flushing. I suppose it's to allow the Q23 to remain on 108th Street and not have to deviate to serve the  at 111th Street (with the Q19 from the north and the Q58 from the south, a good chunk of the Q23 riders are covered, and the rest can either walk from Roosevelt & 108th, or make their way to the Q14).

For the Q20, I think the Q62 could be rerouted to Beechurst, and allow the Q20 to terminate by the Cross Island Parkway. (Beechurst would get less frequent service, but it would more evenly distribute the ridership across those routes).

The Q21 reroute on the southern end is a good idea. On the northern end, I guess that's their way of somewhat maintaining the connection from Glendale to the  train for former Q29 riders.

The Q22 truncation on the western end was a long time coming, unfortunately. I'm disappointed they didn't create a route for Bayswater (e.g. Combining the Mott Avenue portion of the old Q22A with the Beach 9th Street portion of the present-day Q113/114).

The Q23/Q46 short-turn combination is odd, but I suppose there is something else to consider with that and the Q10/Q64 combination: Namely that the eastern end gets access to the Queens Blvd local (for example, for access to Queens Center Mall).

Q24 truncation to Broadway Junction makes lots of sense. B53 on the other hand...especially linked to the B32 of all routes...and the removal from Jamaica Hospital...I don't see what the Q42 has to do with it (other than the fact that 24 and 42 are transposed numbers...I really hope they weren't using that as a reason somehow). Just tell people that their alternative involves the Q54/55/56 or a backtrack on the train and call it a day.

I get that it's right by the College Point Depot, but they could've at least made an effort to have the Q25 serve at least a little bit of the residential section of College Point instead of ending it in the middle of nowhere.

I'm surprised the Q26 & Q27 are both basically going to match the present-day Q27 frequencies. I thought for sure one would see a cut, but in any case good for those riders I suppose...

Also a bit surprised they're having both the Q31 & Q76 run from Jamaica to College Point. I would assume at some point, they would start truncating some Q31s to only operate from Northern Blvd to Jamaica.

No comments for the Q32/33/35/37 changes. 

Glad they kept the eastern portion of the present-day Q38. The Juniper Blvd South routing should speed buses up a little bit through the area.

I was a bit taken aback by the extension of the Q39 on the northern/western end, but I suppose if it's truncated on the southern/eastern end, it shouldn't have too much of an impact on reliability. 

For the Q42, I think they should've just gone with a simple Brinkerhoff Avenue shuttle connecting to the Jamaica LIRR station. The Liberty Avenue portion is already covered by the Q65 & Q83, and as mentioned, the extension to Jamaica Hospital has absolutely nothing to do with the Q24.

Q43 extension to LIJ Hospital is good.

Q44 extension to Fordham Plaza is good.

Q45 is a good route, but it should run full-time (even if it means taking a bit of service from the Q1 and Q43). Would also provide some weekend service to Glen Oaks.

Q47 reroute to Woodside Avenue is pretty smart...provides some coverage over there and avoids traffic on Roosevelt Avenue, while also being a bit closer to Elmhurst Hospital. I don't think it needs to do the loop by Bulova, though.

Q49 getting 24/7 service is good. Don't really see a point in the extension east along Astoria Blvd, though. If anything, it should probably get cut back to 92nd Street, and use those resources to add a few trips to the Q19.

Nice to see the Q50 get 24/7 service. It would be nice if the rush hour service to Co-Op City ran like the BxM7 rather than making a full loop.

Nice to see they added some stops along Linden Blvd for the Q51. The route map shows it ending at Springfield Blvd, but the list of stops and the Remix map show it running to the present-day Q4 terminal.

Don't really see a point to the Q52 extension to Jackson Heights. If anything, considering the Q21 is also being extended, it makes sense to keep a reliable route starting at Hoffman Drive.

Q55 extension to Jamaica is good.

Q57...I'm warming up to the idea...provides a connection from eastern Queens to the  , though the vast majority of turnover will likely happen in Jamaica.

Q58/98: Definitely a good idea (and as a bonus, provides service on a small stretch of 111th Street, which is also near the busier section of the park, with the museum, zoo, and Hall of Science).

Q59 change in Brooklyn is definitely a good one.

I'd run the Q63 along 36th Avenue instead of 35th Avenue. I'd probably have it split Roosevelt Island with the Q104 (have one route cover the southern part and the other route cover the northern part). It's the only route from 21st Street to QBP, but most of those connections are available at Court Square anyway.

I don't think the Q83 is that slow along Liberty Avenue that it needs a full-time limited, but I guess that's also their way of maintaining the connection to the  train.

The Q66 should definitely have some short-turns at Northern Blvd & Broadway.

I still think the Q67 should run down Hunterspoint Avenue instead of Borden Avenue. I also think it should be truncated to end at Court Square.

Q68 is a good route.

I don't think it's necessary for the B62 to run to Astoria, but if it's doing so anyway, then I suppose the Q69 being turned into a rush route makes sense.

Wish the Q73 didn't have to run along Austin Street.

Q75 is a good idea. I suppose the different sections of Oakland Gardens trade a Jamaica route for a Flushing route, compared to the previous proposal (QT31 & QT33).

Q78 is a good idea. I'd extend it a little bit to Boundary Road to provide a connection to the Q7.

Q80 & Q82 are a good idea.

I'm surprised the Q85 will provide 24/7 service to Green Acres Mall, but good for any residents of that part of Valley Stream that use it, I suppose. (Though I assume the vast majority of riders at that stop are patrons of the mall itself)

They say no frequency or span changes to the Q88, but they made it a 24/7 route...assuming that's true (which I would assume so), that's a good thing.

Q105 is a good route.

Q109 is an interesting route...I suppose it's another way of ensuring a reliable Jamaica-Ozone Park connection, since the Q57 is coming from eastern Queens.

I'd add a stop by Rochdale Village on the Q111/114. Also, for the Q114, I'd run it down Beach 19th/20th Street, and have a shuttle route cover Beach 9th Street.

I can only assume that the B57 extension beyond Broadway & Roosevelt is due to lack of layover space.

For the express routes, I think the outbound routing should be via the Queens-Midtown Tunnel, so they don't have to take Van Dam Street and sit through that congested entrance to the LIE. Buses should do the inbound route in reverse (6th & Madison Avenue routes run down 5th Avenue, and 3rd Avenue routes run down Lexington Avenue). It'll save some unnecessary deadheading between 57th & 3rd and 6th & 36th. Maybe with the exception of the Queens Village express routes (but even then, it might not be a terrible idea...57th Street to 5th Avenue to 23rd Street to 1st Avenue, with a stop by the hospitals before getting in the tunnel). 

For the QM1/5/6, I don't see the need for off-peak service to skip stops west of 188th Street. The QM5 could cover QM4 riders along Jewel Avenue, and the QM6 should just make stops along Union Turnpike. The simplest thing is probably just to have that pattern, and run those routes hourly, instead of every 90 minutes. The hospital stop for the Downtown routes is a good idea. For the QM3, instead of eliminating it, they could try converting it to a Downtown route with a hospital stop. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by checkmatechamp13

[Threxx]

Can't speak much to the Queens changes but the insane B53 makes me a bit more worried about the Brooklyn plan, especially given the context of how routes that currently use Broadway will be treated (we already know they want to kill the Q24 segment, and the B46/47 aren't probably going to survive either).

Given that there are multiple better options here (B32 retained and covering that new B62 segment to Astoria, extending the B39 to Broadway Junction instead), I don't get the logic of making a super route with no limited/SBS service on an absurdly crowded corridor under an el.

[Future ENY OP]

21 minutes ago, Threxx said:

Can't speak much to the Queens changes but the insane B53 makes me a bit more worried about the Brooklyn plan, especially given the context of how routes that currently use Broadway will be treated (we already know they want to kill the Q24 segment, and the B46/47 aren't probably going to survive either).

Given that there are multiple better options here (B32 retained and covering that new B62 segment to Astoria, extending the B39 to Broadway Junction instead), I don't get the logic of making a super route with no limited/SBS service on an absurdly crowded corridor under an el.

My guess for the Brooklyn re-design plan for the area of Broadway is this:

B46: Kings Plaza to Dekalb/Kosciuszko Both local and SBS

B47: Gets reduced from Woodhull Hospital to Rutland Road  

B78: Kings Plaza to Rutland Road or Eastern Parkway

The B53 is the B40 that went via Broadway to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza and eventually got cut in early 2000's (if my memory serves me correct)

Personally, I'd want the B39 to be a true Bushwick/Williamsburg route to Essex Street. Bus doesn't need to enter the confines of Broadway Junction. The farthest I'd send the B39 is Dekalb Avenue. Anything farther is overkill.

Personally, I like the Q24 at Broadway Junction.. However, I don't like the Parsons Blvd and 89th Avenue. I could see this 89th Avenue stop get eliminated and have the Q24 along with the Q54/55/56 all at 170th and Jamaica or reduced to Jamaica LIRR. Preferably, the better idea.

[aemoreira81]

I see that the MTA got the message about the Q52/3. The Woodhaven/X-Bay SBS was proposed to be cut back to Queens Center, as the Q104 would not have been sufficient to serve Elmhurst Hospital since many would then have to transfer buses again. But turning around buses at 74/Roosevelt with adequate layover will be difficult.

[Threxx]

25 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

My guess for the Brooklyn re-design plan for the area of Broadway is this:

B46: Kings Plaza to Dekalb/Kosciuszko Both local and SBS

B47: Gets reduced from Woodhull Hospital to Rutland Road  

B78: Kings Plaza to Rutland Road or Eastern Parkway

The B53 is the B40 that went via Broadway to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza and eventually got cut in early 2000's (if my memory serves me correct)

Personally, I'd want the B39 to be a true Bushwick/Williamsburg route to Essex Street. Bus doesn't need to enter the confines of Broadway Junction. The farthest I'd send the B39 is Dekalb Avenue. Anything farther is overkill.

Personally, I like the Q24 at Broadway Junction.. However, I don't like the Parsons Blvd and 89th Avenue. I could see this 89th Avenue stop get eliminated and have the Q24 along with the Q54/55/56 all at 170th and Jamaica or reduced to Jamaica LIRR. Preferably, the better idea.

As was mentioned before, turning all B46 service at Dekalb would turn that area into a zoo of buses and they specifically mention wanting to avoid ridiculous layovers as justification for some of the Queens changes, so I doubt they'd do that in Brooklyn. It would likely come sooner they cut the locals all the way back to Fulton or Eastern Parkway or even just get rid of them.

I'm not really in favor of spitting the B47 back into two routes again, since I think they could do more to make that route a legitimate alternative to the B46 as a north-south option; it's mainly just too infrequent rather than unreliable.

I also don't think the B39 needs to go all the way to Broadway Junction, but whatever proposal they make is probably going to insist on some kind of full-length Broadway bus route (likely as a cheaper alternative to making the Broadway stations ADA compliant), and sending the B39 down there makes infinitely more sense than that insane B53 super route. That thing has to go.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Threxx

[Future ENY OP]

4 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Here are some random thoughts:

• Some routes that will get delayed due to congestion without bus priority in the Queens Bus Redesign:
  Q50 on the Whitestone, Q68 on the Kosciuszko, Q51 on the Belt. There are others. Union Street in Flushing needs bus priority.
• The B53 is odd and duplicative
• The Q16/Q61/Q62 situation is a service cut.
• It is odd that the Q60 still goes to South Jamaica.
• The Q20 should go to Union Turnpike, not Briarwood.
• The Q73 should be extended to Myrtle.
• Having a Queens route to Columbus Circle would be nice.
• The Q65 LTD seems to be eliminated, which isn't great.
• The B62, Q59, Q66 and Q68 need to be more frequent
• The B57 extension is great; good riddance to the section from the 2010 cuts.
• The Bx15 or Bx41 should be extended to LaGuardia
• The super-routes, like the Q25, Q1 and Q10 won't work without bus priority
• Weekend service needs to be much better across the board, including on the Q23 and Q54
• The Q25 needs to run every 6 minutes off-peak, more frequently on weekends
• The Q39/Q67 swap ends the connection from Sunnyside to Ridgewood
• I don't like that the Francis Lewis Blvd crosstown was eliminated
• I love the consolidation of local and limited-stop routes
• The Q73 needs to get off Austin Street
• It doesn't seem great that the Q23 loses the transfer to the 7 at 111th.
• I love the through-running routes in Jamaica/Flushing to reduce layover congestion.
• I love the reroute of the Q47 off congested Roosevelt Avenue, and the Q53 cutback

I don't see the Q68, and Q51 having any issues. Current day B24, and B83 do pretty well on the highways. However, the Q50 to LGA I see traffic trouble on that whitestone

The B53 is essentially B40 (2.0) which could ultimately mean no more B46 down Broadway, and B47 to Woodhull

All the other thoughts you mentioned I fully agree.

[Eric B]

22 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

Q39 - Good idea to have this line (or maybe another line) cover Vernon with connections to both Queensbridge and Court Square. Almost all riders north and south of Queensbridge were using the Q103 for the station.

That was the other thing I forgot. Both 39 and 67 go back the other way (to either Vernon or 21st), before starting to head east, and it feels like a long time, and you're still in LIC. I think the one that goes to Ridgewood should just go straight out on Queens Blvd to Van Dam, and let the other one (the shortened line) pick up all those out of the way corners).

[checkmatechamp13]

32 minutes ago, Eric B said:

That was the other thing I forgot. Both 39 and 67 go back the other way (to either Vernon or 21st), before starting to head east, and it feels like a long time, and you're still in LIC. I think the one that goes to Ridgewood should just go straight out on Queens Blvd to Van Dam, and let the other one (the shortened line) pick up all those out of the way corners).

If one is starting at Queensboro Plaza, then the other one should avoid QBP entirely. 

[MTA Dude]

6 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

That, and a connection from Lefferts Blvd to the Q44 (and those other north-south routes) without having to go into Jamaica)

You could do that with a Lefferts Blvd - Union Tpke route that crosses Queens Blvd like this and it would make much more sense than the Q10/64 combo they're proposing.

[limitednyc]

10 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

That Q1-Q6 combo seems like they just wanted to free up as many buses from terminating in Downtown Jamaica as possible. I think the proposed QT18 would've worked out better operationally (in terms of avoiding the heart of Downtown Jamaica), but the tradeoff of course is that people would've had to transfer at Jamaica Avenue.

I like the Q4 extension to Elmont, and the Q5 extension down to X63 territory. Gives people the option of catching the LIRR at Rosedale (especially with the Atlantic Ticket and expanded CityTicket).

The Q7 extension to the makes sense (With Crescent Street, I think the issue is that it's harder to find a suitable turnaround and layover location, so Eldert Lane is the next best alternative).

I suppose a Q8 extension to Livonia Avenue makes sense to connect those areas of Central Brooklyn with Jamaica. (I doubt the B6 & B15 will remain in their current forms after the Brooklyn redesign, but whatever bus connections are available after the redesign is implemented might be useful)

I definitely think the proposed QT47 via Lakewood Avenue & 130th Street was a better route than the present-day Q9. More centralized within the neighborhood, and down a more suitable street (130th Street is wider than Lincoln Street, and the Van Wyck Expressway divides the neighborhood in that area). Especially considering that it's being extended down 130th Street on the southern end anyway. If they're worried about reliability of service along Liberty Avenue, they can just add some "Q57" short-turns between Jamaica & Lefferts Blvd and call it a day.

Likewise, I think the QT46 was a better route than the present-day Q40. The proposed Q40 is going to be bypassing all of the stops along Lakewood Avenue anyway (except for 142nd/143rd Street). 

The Q10, I don't think it needs to be combined with the Q64, but as mentioned, there's a little bit of logic to the combination.

The Q11, should still be tied in with Woodhaven Blvd. I think leaving it as a standalone shuttle (especially at those frequencies) will just have people staying on the  train all the way to Howard Beach.

I think they still should've branched the Q12 and had some buses run along Marathon Parkway.

For the Q13, I think the QT51 routing (basically, a Crocheron/35th Avenue route) was fine. It just needed to run full-time.

Q14 is good.

The Q16/61/62 split doesn't make any sense. I think the original plan for the QT85 (basically, a Q16/Q28 combination) was a good idea. And then just run the QT48/49 (proposed Q61/62) full-time.

Q17 is generally good, but I'd run it along 132nd Street instead of 127th Street between 14th Avenue and 20th Avenue, to maintain the direct connection from Flushing to the College Point Shopping Center, and also keep the Q17 along a wider street.

Q18 streamlining in Maspeth makes sense.

Nice to see the Q19 get a span extension, but it's a shame it will come at the expense of a slower route from Corona to Flushing. I suppose it's to allow the Q23 to remain on 108th Street and not have to deviate to serve the  at 111th Street (with the Q19 from the north and the Q58 from the south, a good chunk of the Q23 riders are covered, and the rest can either walk from Roosevelt & 108th, or make their way to the Q14).

For the Q20, I think the Q62 could be rerouted to Beechurst, and allow the Q20 to terminate by the Cross Island Parkway. (Beechurst would get less frequent service, but it would more evenly distribute the ridership across those routes).

The Q21 reroute on the southern end is a good idea. On the northern end, I guess that's their way of somewhat maintaining the connection from Glendale to the  train for former Q29 riders.

The Q22 truncation on the western end was a long time coming, unfortunately. I'm disappointed they didn't create a route for Bayswater (e.g. Combining the Mott Avenue portion of the old Q22A with the Beach 9th Street portion of the present-day Q113/114).

The Q23/Q46 short-turn combination is odd, but I suppose there is something else to consider with that and the Q10/Q64 combination: Namely that the eastern end gets access to the Queens Blvd local (for example, for access to Queens Center Mall).

Q24 truncation to Broadway Junction makes lots of sense. B53 on the other hand...especially linked to the B32 of all routes...and the removal from Jamaica Hospital...I don't see what the Q42 has to do with it (other than the fact that 24 and 42 are transposed numbers...I really hope they weren't using that as a reason somehow). Just tell people that their alternative involves the Q54/55/56 or a backtrack on the train and call it a day.

I get that it's right by the College Point Depot, but they could've at least made an effort to have the Q25 serve at least a little bit of the residential section of College Point instead of ending it in the middle of nowhere.

I'm surprised the Q26 & Q27 are both basically going to match the present-day Q27 frequencies. I thought for sure one would see a cut, but in any case good for those riders I suppose...

Also a bit surprised they're having both the Q31 & Q76 run from Jamaica to College Point. I would assume at some point, they would start truncating some Q31s to only operate from Northern Blvd to Jamaica.

No comments for the Q32/33/35/37 changes. 

Glad they kept the eastern portion of the present-day Q38. The Juniper Blvd South routing should speed buses up a little bit through the area.

I was a bit taken aback by the extension of the Q39 on the northern/western end, but I suppose if it's truncated on the southern/eastern end, it shouldn't have too much of an impact on reliability. 

For the Q42, I think they should've just gone with a simple Brinkerhoff Avenue shuttle connecting to the Jamaica LIRR station. The Liberty Avenue portion is already covered by the Q65 & Q83, and as mentioned, the extension to Jamaica Hospital has absolutely nothing to do with the Q24.

Q43 extension to LIJ Hospital is good.

Q44 extension to Fordham Plaza is good.

Q45 is a good route, but it should run full-time (even if it means taking a bit of service from the Q1 and Q43). Would also provide some weekend service to Glen Oaks.

Q47 reroute to Woodside Avenue is pretty smart...provides some coverage over there and avoids traffic on Roosevelt Avenue, while also being a bit closer to Elmhurst Hospital. I don't think it needs to do the loop by Bulova, though.

Q49 getting 24/7 service is good. Don't really see a point in the extension east along Astoria Blvd, though. If anything, it should probably get cut back to 92nd Street, and use those resources to add a few trips to the Q19.

Nice to see the Q50 get 24/7 service. It would be nice if the rush hour service to Co-Op City ran like the BxM7 rather than making a full loop.

Nice to see they added some stops along Linden Blvd for the Q51. The route map shows it ending at Springfield Blvd, but the list of stops and the Remix map show it running to the present-day Q4 terminal.

Don't really see a point to the Q52 extension to Jackson Heights. If anything, considering the Q21 is also being extended, it makes sense to keep a reliable route starting at Hoffman Drive.

Q55 extension to Jamaica is good.

Q57...I'm warming up to the idea...provides a connection from eastern Queens to the  , though the vast majority of turnover will likely happen in Jamaica.

Q58/98: Definitely a good idea (and as a bonus, provides service on a small stretch of 111th Street, which is also near the busier section of the park, with the museum, zoo, and Hall of Science).

Q59 change in Brooklyn is definitely a good one.

I'd run the Q63 along 36th Avenue instead of 35th Avenue. I'd probably have it split Roosevelt Island with the Q104 (have one route cover the southern part and the other route cover the northern part). It's the only route from 21st Street to QBP, but most of those connections are available at Court Square anyway.

I don't think the Q83 is that slow along Liberty Avenue that it needs a full-time limited, but I guess that's also their way of maintaining the connection to the  train.

The Q66 should definitely have some short-turns at Northern Blvd & Broadway.

I still think the Q67 should run down Hunterspoint Avenue instead of Borden Avenue. I also think it should be truncated to end at Court Square.

Q68 is a good route.

I don't think it's necessary for the B62 to run to Astoria, but if it's doing so anyway, then I suppose the Q69 being turned into a rush route makes sense.

Wish the Q73 didn't have to run along Austin Street.

Q75 is a good idea. I suppose the different sections of Oakland Gardens trade a Jamaica route for a Flushing route, compared to the previous proposal (QT31 & QT33).

Q78 is a good idea. I'd extend it a little bit to Boundary Road to provide a connection to the Q7.

Q80 & Q82 are a good idea.

I'm surprised the Q85 will provide 24/7 service to Green Acres Mall, but good for any residents of that part of Valley Stream that use it, I suppose. (Though I assume the vast majority of riders at that stop are patrons of the mall itself)

They say no frequency or span changes to the Q88, but they made it a 24/7 route...assuming that's true (which I would assume so), that's a good thing.

Q105 is a good route.

Q109 is an interesting route...I suppose it's another way of ensuring a reliable Jamaica-Ozone Park connection, since the Q57 is coming from eastern Queens.

I'd add a stop by Rochdale Village on the Q111/114. Also, for the Q114, I'd run it down Beach 19th/20th Street, and have a shuttle route cover Beach 9th Street.

I can only assume that the B57 extension beyond Broadway & Roosevelt is due to lack of layover space.

For the express routes, I think the outbound routing should be via the Queens-Midtown Tunnel, so they don't have to take Van Dam Street and sit through that congested entrance to the LIE. Buses should do the inbound route in reverse (6th & Madison Avenue routes run down 5th Avenue, and 3rd Avenue routes run down Lexington Avenue). It'll save some unnecessary deadheading between 57th & 3rd and 6th & 36th. Maybe with the exception of the Queens Village express routes (but even then, it might not be a terrible idea...57th Street to 5th Avenue to 23rd Street to 1st Avenue, with a stop by the hospitals before getting in the tunnel). 

For the QM1/5/6, I don't see the need for off-peak service to skip stops west of 188th Street. The QM5 could cover QM4 riders along Jewel Avenue, and the QM6 should just make stops along Union Turnpike. The simplest thing is probably just to have that pattern, and run those routes hourly, instead of every 90 minutes. The hospital stop for the Downtown routes is a good idea. For the QM3, instead of eliminating it, they could try converting it to a Downtown route with a hospital stop. 

what do u see for the area between downtown brooklyn and williamsburg formally served by the b62 an new route or reimagined b67 with extendsion to bridge plaza?

[Gotham Bus Co.]

2 hours ago, limitednyc said:

what do u see for the area between downtown brooklyn and williamsburg formally served by the b62 an new route or reimagined b67 with extendsion to bridge plaza?

 will still run between Downtown Brooklyn and Williamsburg. Meanwhile,  could be extended to Bridge Plaza. (I'd rather see the whole Navy Yard portion separated from  and attached to whatever takes over the Smith/Court Street part of . The Brooklyn Redesign will probably address that.)

[Nova Fly Guy]

14 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

My guess for the Brooklyn re-design plan for the area of Broadway is this:

B46: Kings Plaza to Dekalb/Kosciuszko Both local and SBS

B47: Gets reduced from Woodhull Hospital to Rutland Road  

B78: Kings Plaza to Rutland Road or Eastern Parkway

The B53 is the B40 that went via Broadway to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza and eventually got cut in early 2000's (if my memory serves me correct)

Personally, I'd want the B39 to be a true Bushwick/Williamsburg route to Essex Street. Bus doesn't need to enter the confines of Broadway Junction. The farthest I'd send the B39 is Dekalb Avenue. Anything farther is overkill.

Personally, I like the Q24 at Broadway Junction.. However, I don't like the Parsons Blvd and 89th Avenue. I could see this 89th Avenue stop get eliminated and have the Q24 along with the Q54/55/56 all at 170th and Jamaica or reduced to Jamaica LIRR. Preferably, the better idea.

I could see the B46 cut to Myrtle 

[Future ENY OP]

4 minutes ago, Nova Fly Guy said:

I could see the B46 cut to Myrtle 

Myrtle/Broadway would work.. I think Woodhull would be a better terminal for the local.

46SBS to end at Dekalb/Kosciuszko.

[LGA Link N Train]

.Something tells me that B62 proposal to Astoria is a ploy for incentivizing the (mostly dead) BQX proposal from a few years back.

[Future ENY OP]

14 hours ago, Threxx said:

As was mentioned before, turning all B46 service at Dekalb would turn that area into a zoo of buses and they specifically mention wanting to avoid ridiculous layovers as justification for some of the Queens changes, so I doubt they'd do that in Brooklyn. It would likely come sooner they cut the locals all the way back to Fulton or Eastern Parkway or even just get rid of them.

I'm not really in favor of spitting the B47 back into two routes again, since I think they could do more to make that route a legitimate alternative to the B46 as a north-south option; it's mainly just too infrequent rather than unreliable.

I also don't think the B39 needs to go all the way to Broadway Junction, but whatever proposal they make is probably going to insist on some kind of full-length Broadway bus route (likely as a cheaper alternative to making the Broadway stations ADA compliant), and sending the B39 down there makes infinitely more sense than that insane B53 super route. That thing has to go.

I don't know if you seen the horrible headways with the current B47 under Grand Avenue.. They are running this route to the ground.  Grand does that with all their routes with exception of the B38.  The only way to address the B47 issue is to split the routes back possibly to its former. it doesn't make sense to have the 47 to travel the same route as the 53. Worse case scenario would be to cut the 47 to Gates Ave to Rutland, and route to cover the southern portion of the route.

[Future ENY OP]

4 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

.Something tells me that B62 proposal to Astoria is a ploy for incentivizing the (mostly dead) BQX proposal from a few years back.

Lets face it..  NYC will never have light rail in this lifetime.  I want to see what they do with the Bay Ridge to Jackson Heights proposal that is being talked about right now along with it's environmental study being conducted.

[Cait Sith]

17 hours ago, IAlam said:

For the Q20 I would rather have it terminate at the very least at Jamaica LIRR. For a couple of reasons being that first the old Q74 wasn't really popular route and people in that area will still have the Q73 and Q10 which will take them to Forest Hills. The only reason I'd even consider diverting the Q20 to Union Tpk is to make a connection with the Q10 which is now possible on Jewels Ave. As for why Jamaica LIRR as opposed to Briarwood is the , the LIRR, and AirTrain. The ride from Union Tpk to Briarwood to Archer doesn't take that long and people who are riding the Q20 from Jamaica usually fall under 2 camps. Either people who will take whatever comes first or deadset on the Q20 only. The people who would take whatever comes first wouldn't be happy if they have to figure out if they should get off at Union or Sutphin to catch the next bus. Also deadset Q20 riders who won't even consider using the Q44, even though these 2 buses go to the same place. This is because this route operates on some hills that people do not want to go up or down, particularly near Flushing and Briarwood (Even though some of this hills aren't even that big.). With the combined fact this route also appeal more to local students and seniors commuting usually traveling shorter distances not really for people going to the train (with the exception to Flushing of course.). Some of the Q44 stops can be far from the local stops and these people they would rather wait for the Q20. I usually switch between being on whatever comes first to deadset on the Q20, usually when I'm going home too. It's best to just keep it simple and have both routes go to Jamaica.

With all of the congestion that occurs around the LIRR Station especially with the cabs, along with these "vision zero improvements" completely screwing over the area, I'd rather have it end at Hillside instead of the LIRR.

[MTABusTransitFanner]

This is something I don’t understand at all…. Why the hell is Queens proposing a bus route that travels almost the entire length of Springfield Blvd, from 147th Avenue ALL THE WAY to Northern Blvd????? The route I’m talking about is the new Q78 which goes from JFK depot to the Bay Terrace Shopping Center, like this route along with many others in this new draft plan is straight up stupid, confusing and absolutely unnecessary

[7-express]

25 minutes ago, MTABusTransitFanner said:

This is something I don’t understand at all…. Why the hell is Queens proposing a bus route that travels almost the entire length of Springfield Blvd, from 147th Avenue ALL THE WAY to Northern Blvd????? The route I’m talking about is the new Q78 which goes from JFK depot to the Bay Terrace Shopping Center, like this route along with many others in this new draft plan is straight up stupid, confusing and absolutely unnecessary

One of the stated goals from the people running the redesign is to have more continuous north-south travel routes.  So the proposed Q78 along with modifications to the Q31/76 helps them achieve this in eastern Queens.  How people will actually use the northern end is debatable.  Bayside HS loses their direct connection to Jamaica unless everyone just walks to Bell or Utopia.  Or crowds onto the Q28 to make the connection to the Q31/78.

[Lex]

19 minutes ago, MTABusTransitFanner said:

This is something I don’t understand at all…. Why the hell is Queens proposing a bus route that travels almost the entire length of Springfield Blvd, from 147th Avenue ALL THE WAY to Northern Blvd????? The route I’m talking about is the new Q78 which goes from JFK depot to the Bay Terrace Shopping Center, like this route along with many others in this new draft plan is straight up stupid, confusing and absolutely unnecessary

Perhaps you'd have a point if the Q26 and Q77 didn't exist in this draft as they do (*cough* first draft *cough*).

[NBTA]

1 hour ago, MTABusTransitFanner said:

This is something I don’t understand at all…. Why the hell is Queens proposing a bus route that travels almost the entire length of Springfield Blvd, from 147th Avenue ALL THE WAY to Northern Blvd????? The route I’m talking about is the new Q78 which goes from JFK depot to the Bay Terrace Shopping Center, like this route along with many others in this new draft plan is straight up stupid, confusing and absolutely unnecessary

The routes are a lot better than the initial plan that was released a year or two ago. Yeah, there’s some lines that don’t look good on paper or wouldn’t work, but it’s significantly better than the previous draft, as most of those lines were literally just drawn lines. You may not like these lines, but some of these lines are better for the average commuter who needs to go from point A to B. And plus, this is a draft, stuff can change again.