SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Lawrence St]

25 minutes ago, Lex said:

Isn't the former largely contingent upon Lenox Terminal's closure? After all, they wouldn't want to have terminating  trains utterly wreck throughput, something that's of no concern when the  is split between 96th Street and one of the two stations directly under 149th Street.

Yes but considering the fact that 96th St is a terrible terminal to begin with (as it completely reduces the headways on the due to there only being two tracks to relay on), 137th St makes more sense.

[darkstar8983]

8 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Yes but considering the fact that 96th St is a terrible terminal to begin with (as it completely reduces the headways on the due to there only being two tracks to relay on), 137th St makes more sense.

A reroute of the  to 137 St-City College is typically due to maintenance between 145 St and 148 St, and means that the  is running normally otherwise. Sending the  to the Bronx just increases the amount of train crews needed to operate the service while providing service to 137 St gives riders to 145 St and 148 St, a closer alternative to those stations than having to wait on the street for a shuttle bus, while also not increasing train crew requirements.

 

if the  has to end at 96 St it’s usually because the work is south of 135 St, so the  is outright suspended. Sometimes the  has to relay at 103 St middle on the  track, reducing the headway to 12 minutes, but other times, the trains can relay just north of 96 St, allowing the  to keep the 8-minute headways between 96 St and Flatbush Av, due to having two tracks to relay on. There has been times when the  has been sent to 148 St (recently) but the headways are cut down to 12 minutes due to having to share 148 St with the . And yes you’re right about in the past, the  having to make local stops at 79 St and 86 St to allow  trains to terminate at 96 St, while the  was a thru train to 148 St. That practice was a disaster in practice, so I don’t think they do that anymore.

 

also, 137 St only has one track to relay on, so the headways are 12 minutes should they Have the   or  relay there. using the 137 St yard just complicates service for the  that is passing thru

Edited December 13, 2020 by darkstar8983

[Trainmaster5]

8 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

A reroute of the  to 137 St-City College is typically due to maintenance between 145 St and 148 St, and means that the  is running normally otherwise. Sending the  to the Bronx just increases the amount of train crews needed to operate the service while providing service to 137 St gives riders to 145 St and 148 St, a closer alternative to those stations than having to wait on the street for a shuttle bus, while also not increasing train crew requirements.

 

if the  has to end at 96 St it’s usually because the work is south of 135 St, so the  is outright suspended. Sometimes the  has to relay at 103 St middle on the  track, reducing the headway to 12 minutes, but other times, the trains can relay just north of 96 St, allowing the  to keep the 8-minute headways between 96 St and Flatbush Av, due to having two tracks to relay on. There has been times when the  has been sent to 148 St (recently) but the headways are cut down to 12 minutes due to having to share 148 St with the . And yes you’re right about in the past, the  having to make local stops at 79 St and 86 St to allow  trains to terminate at 96 St, while the  was a thru train to 148 St. That practice was a disaster in practice, so I don’t think they do that anymore.

 

also, 137 St only has one track to relay on, so the headways are 12 minutes should they Have the   or  relay there. using the 137 St yard just complicates service for the  that is passing thru

You’ve got the general idea about 96th and Broadway. In my experience we would utilize 103rd St middle and the switches on the express tracks north of the station if all services were suspended on Lenox Avenue . If the  was single tracked on Lenox Avenue it made sense to relay the  trains at 103rd middle because  and  wouldn’t be affected if everything worked as scheduled. I remember making my two trips s/b on the  and on the last trip I’d follow the  single tracking up to the 142nd St junction and then continue up to the Lenox yard as per the Sunday supplement. This way Lenox would have it’s full complement of trains for Monday morning service. IIRC the same thing applied on the Saturday supplement. This all depended on the G.O. in effect. The Times Square, 96th St and Lenox towers and dispatchers controlled the train movement in the area. My memories. Carry on.

[Calvin]

I'm guessing tomorrow with the snowstorm to start around 4 PM, partial express service may be suspended. That is the  in the Bronx and  on the Brighton line. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Calvin

[Lawrence St]

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

I'm guessing tomorrow with the snowstorm to start around 4 PM, partial express service may be suspended. That is the  in the Bronx and  on the Brighton line. 

We actually may enter the winter service plan with no service on the outside stations, if the predictions are true (12+ inches of snow!)

[darkstar8983]

On 12/12/2020 at 11:23 AM, MrRF said:

Why are there so many R160s back on the N/W line? Is this a permanent thing?

Yeah today when I was coming down from Ditmars Blvd this morning (height of the rush hour), with the exception of one R68A on the , every train I saw while on my train (a R160), from Astoria to a Queensboro Plaza, was an R160. Maybe there aren’t any on the , and therefore the Coney Island Pool is being used exclusively on the  / . Those R46s must really be in poor shape

Edited December 18, 2020 by darkstar8983

[VIP]

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Yeah today when I was coming down from Ditmars Blvd this morning (height of the rush hour), with the exception of one R68A on the , every train I saw while on my train (a R160), from Astoria to a Queensboro Plaza, was an R160. Maybe there aren’t any on the , and therefore the Coney Island Pool is being used exclusively on the  / . Those R46s must really be in poor shape

All the R160’s have been on the  which freed up R68A’s for the  it’s not permanent, it just got assigned that way with A.M. put ins. But yes the R46’s run on the shorter lines such as the  and  however, I don’t Know for certain  if there is a serious issue with the R46’s but they’ve definitely been performing poorly and have been taken out of service countless times. 

[TrainRider Railfan]

On 4/7/2011 at 8:27 PM, 4P3607 said:

 

train to 149 St again next weekend, more R142S (R142A) trains!

I know I should already know this, but I've looked everywhere. Can somebody please tell me what an R142S is?

[trainfan22]

17 minutes ago, TrainRider Railfan said:

I know I should already know this, but I've looked everywhere. Can somebody please tell me what an R142S is?

R142S was an supplement order to the R142A order. R142A supplement cars were the cars assigned to the while the had the orginal order of 142A's. "R142S" is exactly the same as the R142A mechanically.

[TrainRider Railfan]

11 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

R142S was an supplement order to the R142A order. R142A supplement cars were the cars assigned to the while the had the orginal order of 142A's. "R142S" is exactly the same as the R142A mechanically.

Thanks!! So basically they were identical to the 142As, the MTA just wanted more of them and decided to give them a different designation?

[Lawrence St]

Perhaps someone can inform me about this topic:

So lately I've been seeing pictures of a demolished Penn Station, but im confused since Penn Station (or at least I think its the same Penn Station) is still standing. Did I miss something in my history books?

[NoHacksJustKhaks]

29 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Perhaps someone can inform me about this topic:

So lately I've been seeing pictures of a demolished Penn Station, but im confused since Penn Station (or at least I think its the same Penn Station) is still standing. Did I miss something in my history books?

Penn station and all its underground lines are still standing ever since it was built, but the above ground head-house structure was demolished in the 60's and Penn Station became mostly underground after renovations were made. 

Edited December 20, 2020 by NoHacksJustKhaks

[NewFlyer 230]

I had a nice ride on an R46  last night. I noticed that C.I is giving some of these trains a good wash or something because some R46’s look shinier than usual. The set I caught had its interior lights swapped out on all 8 cars which is somewhat rare because random sets get put together.

It is still weird seeing the  &  using mostly R46’s while the  has newer cars because for so many years it’s the opposite. Makes me wonder what was going through the head of riders when they saw the R46’s show up on the  for the first time. Bet many thought it was an  lol. 

Edited December 20, 2020 by NewFlyer 230

[MHV9218]

18 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Perhaps someone can inform me about this topic:

So lately I've been seeing pictures of a demolished Penn Station, but im confused since Penn Station (or at least I think its the same Penn Station) is still standing. Did I miss something in my history books?

This is one of the saddest stories in New York City history. The only silver lining is that the outrage is part of how we got the landmarks law, and saved the same thing from happening to Grand Central (its demolition was a possibility too).

[Bay Ridge Express]

8 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Makes me wonder what was going through the head of riders when they saw the R46’s show up on the  for the first time. Bet many thought it was an  lol. 

You don't want to know the craziness that ensued...

[Trainmaster5]

21 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Perhaps someone can inform me about this topic:

So lately I've been seeing pictures of a demolished Penn Station, but im confused since Penn Station (or at least I think its the same Penn Station) is still standing. Did I miss something in my history books?

If you are of a certain age like myself what is now called “ Penn Station “ is just a shell of what originally stood on that site. Basically what remains is the underground portion of the station. The original and the Farley Post Office across from it on the Eighth Avenue had a certain grandeur that was sadly unappreciated by some people. Check out the pictures of the original building and it’s surroundings from the earliest ones and up to the demolition. IIRC the demolition was an economic decision. Grand Central was the next target for destruction before the Landmarks community put a stop to it. BTW in my youth the correct titles were Pennsylvania Station and Grand Central Terminal not the names you hear announced on the subway today. The railroads garnered respect back then 😁. My remembrances. Carry on.

[Lawrence St]

Has anyone else noticed that the 10 car R179's on the still have the L-Shutdown transfers listed?

[VIP]

13 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Has anyone else noticed that the 10 car R179's on the still have the L-Shutdown transfers listed?

MTA didn’t update the R179’s at all. None of them have the Wear a Mask announcement program either. 

[Deucey]

17 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

The original and the Farley Post Office across from it on the Eighth Avenue had a certain grandeur that was sadly unappreciated by some people. Check out the pictures of the original building and it’s surroundings from the earliest ones and up to the demolition.

From pictures the neighborhood definitely looked better then than it does now - just random buildings put up with no theme.

That's one thing that's always disappointed me about NY and most big cities in the US - it's just a bunch of random styles thrown together hoping for cohesiveness. Whereas Paris - every building from residential to commercial conforms to the overall theme of regal grandeur. Or London - everything "looks" English.

Or DC - everything looks Romanesque and like it projects the might of the US government but with restraint.

Old Penn was the last attempt at NY having an architectural theme of beauty. Now it's just "be barely functional and it'll be enough".

[MHV9218]

1 minute ago, Deucey said:

Whereas Paris - every building from residential to commercial conforms to the overall theme of regal grandeur. Or London - everything "looks" English.

Yeah, this one's always hard. On the one hand, Paris's architectural consistency, symmetry, and organization is beautiful and hard not to appreciate. On the other hand, that's all the product of the 'Haussmannization' of Paris during the middle of the 19th-century, which a lot of people blamed for destroying Paris's original architectural character and serving as a classist early ancestor of urban renewal. 

[Calvin]

I think the CBTC signals have been activated at Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av. On the express tracks, seen a video that both the and trains arrive/depart the station with the green signal flipping on and off like the  on the 42 St line. 

[R32 3838]

7 hours ago, Calvin said:

I think the CBTC signals have been activated at Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av. On the express tracks, seen a video that both the and trains arrive/depart the station with the green signal flipping on and off like the  on the 42 St line. 

They're doing in passenger cbtc testing during the off peak hours 

[Deucey]

You guys have had such an effect on me. I'm sat here watching Season 2 Episode 11 of NBC's Manifest, and I literally yelled at the screen when they filmed a scene at Bowery saying the express () train wasn't stopping and it ran on the local tracks.

Dunno if that's good or bad, but it happened. Thanks y'all.

[trainfan22]

52 minutes ago, Deucey said:

You guys have had such an effect on me. I'm sat here watching Season 2 Episode 11 of NBC's Manifest, and I literally yelled at the screen when they filmed a scene at Bowery saying the express () train wasn't stopping and it ran on the local tracks.

Dunno if that's good or bad, but it happened. Thanks y'all.

That's funny as I think the did skip Bowery on the local tracks in the 90s during rush hour.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Umm.... 

 

Someone made a comment regarding this notice (w/ the NYCT Subway reply). 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by BM5 via Woodhaven