SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[LegoBrickBreaker101]

Bee-Line buses are older. Management supersedes age. If Rockland can keep crustbuckets like that on the road, it means more then age.

 

Just a touch of love...

 

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You do realize that the oldest Bee-Line buses in service are only 16 years old, right?...

[Daniel The Cool]

You do realize that the oldest Bee-Line buses in service are only 16 years old, right?...

And plus Rockland buses aren't even 25 years old like he said...

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

You do realize that the oldest Bee-Line buses in service are only 16 years old, right?...

Really? They age gracefully.

 

And subway cars are built to take beatings, but customer abuse will indeed force those R68A's to an early grave at the bottom of the ocean.

 

I'm not concerned as much about age as I'm about care. Those stickers blissfully wasted on the Midtown Shuttle would breathe some aesthetic life into those cars.

 

I'm aware they were bought metallized to discourage graffiti but ironically still have scratchiti. Decals are cheaper then a buff job.

 

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And plus Rockland buses aren't even 25 years old like he said...

It's been a while since I entered Spring Valley. They must've finally replaced the crustbuckets with those Kelly Green beauties...

 

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[Around the Horn]

Really? They age gracefully.

 

And subway cars are built to take beatings, but customer abuse will indeed force those R68A's to an early grave at the bottom of the ocean.

 

I'm not concerned as much about age as I'm about care. Those stickers blissfully wasted on the Midtown Shuttle would breathe some aesthetic life into those cars.

 

I'm aware they were bought metallized to discourage graffiti but ironically still have scratchiti. Decals are cheaper then a buff job.

 

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It's been a while since I entered Spring Valley. They must've finally replaced the crustbuckets with those Kelly Green beauties...

 

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This is completely and utterly incorrect. I want to take what you say seriously but then you keep embellishing things (to put it lightly) and its really hard to do so.

[Lance]

According to our own Bill from Maspeth

 

My source from within tells me these signs are from a vendor who are showing what they can do so they can get a contract to equip future subway car orders.

 

The rest of the R68/68A fleet ARE NOT getting these. Realize these cars are are old.......around 25 years old.

 

Well, that sucks.

[Around the Horn]

Then why not just equip an NTT with them? I'm not buying that.

 

Creating a system for a non NTT to have an electronic sign just to take it down eventually doesn't make sense to me...

 

 

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[MysteriousBtrain]

Then why not just equip an NTT with them? I'm not buying that.

 

Creating a system for a non NTT to have an electronic sign just to take it down eventually doesn't make sense to me...

 

 

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Same. I feel that comment from bill is actually old.

Once again, I would like to say that DJ hammers recorded a video on this and says it's a test for now, so there may be a possibly this program will spread to other cars.

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

Same. I feel that comment from bill is actually old.

Once again, I would like to say that DJ hammers recorded a video on this and says it's a test for now, so there may be a possibly this program will spread to other cars.

Somebody mentioned speakeasy on buses due to a lack of clever devices (which you can be certain your suburban partners are fully decked with) but why not pre-record and pin? Your speakeasy devices can point with a GPS right?

 

How else can you be tracked?

 

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[MHV9218]

Unwittingly walked into the abandoned portion of the Prospect Park B/Q/S today. Doors were wide open and it was lit up, so I walked down there. All the old 1970s/1980s signs are up there, painted over in black. I got a hint it was abandoned once I saw all the trash and felt the heat. I assume it was shut in the mid-1980s based on the signage and paint job.

[P3F]

Unwittingly walked into the abandoned portion of the Prospect Park B/Q/S today. Doors were wide open and it was lit up, so I walked down there. All the old 1970s/1980s signs are up there, painted over in black. I got a hint it was abandoned once I saw all the trash and felt the heat. I assume it was shut in the mid-1980s based on the signage and paint job.

You mean the unused part of the local platform? Or is there actually another set of doors in the mezzanine?

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[MHV9218]

You mean the unused part of the local platform? Or is there actually another set of doors in the mezzanine?

 

There's an entire entrance to the station that must have been abandoned for a few decades. It was right next to the real entrance on the Flatbush Ave. part of the station, in the little area behind the gate where you enter, just to the right of the steps. When I went down the stairs, I could see a large sign for the station with some 1980s era bullets (probably D, Q, S, though I only saw Q and S) that had been completely painted black. The stairs then led to the left, but I didn't go much further. I suspect it's used as a trash/refuse room now, but the doors were wide open and I walked right on in! 

 

The station must have been reconfigured a chunk in the 1980s. At the far end of the platform where the tunnel begins, there's a portion of wall that must have been installed around the 1980s, because it protrudes about halfway into the pillars and meant that some of the signs couldn't be replaced. As a result, there's an old black porcelain enamel Prospect Park sign in Standard that's half-visible and partly painted over at the far end. My guess is that wall was never there before, and there was a set of steps leading down to that part of the platform back in the day.

[P3F]

There's an entire entrance to the station that must have been abandoned for a few decades. It was right next to the real entrance on the Flatbush Ave. part of the station, in the little area behind the gate where you enter, just to the right of the steps. When I went down the stairs, I could see a large sign for the station with some 1980s era bullets (probably D, Q, S, though I only saw Q and S) that had been completely painted black. The stairs then led to the left, but I didn't go much further. I suspect it's used as a trash/refuse room now, but the doors were wide open and I walked right on in! 

 

The station must have been reconfigured a chunk in the 1980s. At the far end of the platform where the tunnel begins, there's a portion of wall that must have been installed around the 1980s, because it protrudes about halfway into the pillars and meant that some of the signs couldn't be replaced. As a result, there's an old black porcelain enamel Prospect Park sign in Standard that's half-visible and partly painted over at the far end. My guess is that wall was never there before, and there was a set of steps leading down to that part of the platform back in the day.

If we're talking about the same passageway, I believe it was opened at least once in the 2000s during a service change, as I recall using it to get to a shuttle bus.

[Union Tpke]

There's an entire entrance to the station that must have been abandoned for a few decades. It was right next to the real entrance on the Flatbush Ave. part of the station, in the little area behind the gate where you enter, just to the right of the steps. When I went down the stairs, I could see a large sign for the station with some 1980s era bullets (probably D, Q, S, though I only saw Q and S) that had been completely painted black. The stairs then led to the left, but I didn't go much further. I suspect it's used as a trash/refuse room now, but the doors were wide open and I walked right on in! 

 

The station must have been reconfigured a chunk in the 1980s. At the far end of the platform where the tunnel begins, there's a portion of wall that must have been installed around the 1980s, because it protrudes about halfway into the pillars and meant that some of the signs couldn't be replaced. As a result, there's an old black porcelain enamel Prospect Park sign in Standard that's half-visible and partly painted over at the far end. My guess is that wall was never there before, and there was a set of steps leading down to that part of the platform back in the day.

 

The stairs on the northern most part of the Manhattan-bound platform clearly used to access that portion of the shuttle platform. They just gated that portion of. I have pictures of that somewhere.

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

Unwittingly walked into the abandoned portion of the Prospect Park B/Q/S today. Doors were wide open and it was lit up, so I walked down there. All the old 1970s/1980s signs are up there, painted over in black. I got a hint it was abandoned once I saw all the trash and felt the heat. I assume it was shut in the mid-1980s based on the signage and paint job.

And once upon a time wasn't it called Lincoln Road? There's a sign adjacent to the overpass facing Lincoln Road...

 

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[Wallyhorse]

I participate in fb groups and the general consensus with the C to Lefferts thing is the riders don't want a local service. If they don't want it I wouldn't force them to have it.

 

As someone who's stuck with a local that travels a farther distance than the express I can see where they're coming from. 

I get it, but it would improve overall service there and perhaps as an incentive eliminate the late-night shuttle between Lefferts and Euclid by making the a 24/7 route.  In this case, those passengers can make a same platform transfer to the at Rockaway Parkway or anywhere between there and Grant Avenue and an across-the-platform transfer at Euclid with twice as many trains coming from the Rockaways.  If they get that upset about possibly not having a seat on the because of having to transfer from the at Rockaway Boulevard, I think those fears would prove unfounded.

[richardye1]

I get it, but it would improve overall service there and perhaps as an incentive eliminate the late-night shuttle between Lefferts and Euclid by making the a 24/7 route.  In this case, those passengers can make a same platform transfer to the at Rockaway Parkway or anywhere between there and Grant Avenue and an across-the-platform transfer at Euclid with twice as many trains coming from the Rockaways.  If they get that upset about possibly not having a seat on the because of having to transfer from the at Rockaway Boulevard, I think those fears would prove unfounded.

nah i still think the to Lefferts wouldn't do anything much. Look who is going to take a from Lefferts? If it were their only option, that would mean transferring at Rockaway Blvd. which is more inconvenient for these riders.

The current setup works in my opinion

[jon2305]

Just heard a report from WNYC about the "hot car" lack of A/C crisis thats been going on the R62A fleet. These cars are due for their SMS cycles and rightfully so.

 

On more than 10 occasions this summer or the last few summers to say the least, I've been on R62As with no air condition on both the & and the MTA spokesman admitted that the lack of A/C on the R62A fleet has been a intolerable problem.

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

Just heard a report from WNYC about the "hot car" lack of A/C crisis thats been going on the R62A fleet. These cars are due for their SMS cycles and rightfully so.

 

On more than 10 occasions this summer or the last few summers to say the least, I've been on R62As with no air condition on both the & and the MTA spokesman admitted that the lack of A/C on the R62A fleet has been a intolerable problem.

I've noticed that. Gross.

It's compounded by passengers opening windows as we speed through dank & smelly tunnels.

 

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[LegoBrickBreaker101]

Just heard a report from WNYC about the "hot car" lack of A/C crisis thats been going on the R62A fleet. These cars are due for their SMS cycles and rightfully so.

On more than 10 occasions this summer or the last few summers to say the least, I've been on R62As with no air condition on both the & and the MTA spokesman admitted that the lack of A/C on the R62A fleet has been a intolerable problem.

My friend and I were caught up in that on our way home. The R62A car we rode on was way too hot... heck, even the poles were hot as well. My friend said in a joking manner that we made a grave mistake and that it would be our last lmao.

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, the inside of that car was so hot, and I'm hoping the MTA does something to fix it.

[checkmatechamp13]

I get it, but it would improve overall service there and perhaps as an incentive eliminate the late-night shuttle between Lefferts and Euclid by making the a 24/7 route.  In this case, those passengers can make a same platform transfer to the at Rockaway Parkway or anywhere between there and Grant Avenue and an across-the-platform transfer at Euclid with twice as many trains coming from the Rockaways.  If they get that upset about possibly not having a seat on the because of having to transfer from the at Rockaway Boulevard, I think those fears would prove unfounded.

 

And having twice as many trains coming from the Rockaways adds to the cost of train service.

 

nah i still think the to Lefferts wouldn't do anything much. Look who is going to take a from Lefferts? If it were their only option, that would mean transferring at Rockaway Blvd. which is more inconvenient for these riders.

The current setup works in my opinion

 

To be fair, if all you want is to reach Broadway Junction (or an actual Fulton local stop) then it's not that bad.

[Wallyhorse]

And having twice as many trains coming from the Rockaways adds to the cost of train service.

 

 

To be fair, if all you want is to reach Broadway Junction (or an actual Fulton local stop) then it's not that bad.

Not entirely since this would also eliminate the Rockaway Park shuttle.

 

You could also keep the shuttle and have alternate trains (except rush hours and late nights) terminate at Howard Beach-JFK (perhaps with a rebuild of Aqueduct-North Conduit (for the casino/racetrack) and Howard Beach to three platforms so trains can short-turn in either location as needed).

[richardye1]

Not entirely since this would also eliminate the Rockaway Park shuttle.

 

You could also keep the shuttle and have alternate trains (except rush hours and late nights) terminate at Howard Beach-JFK (perhaps with a rebuild of Aqueduct-North Conduit (for the casino/racetrack) and Howard Beach to three platforms so trains can short-turn in either location as needed).

I don't think MTA will spend millions of dollars to build a third platform only to improve the commutes of a minuscule number of people.

The current setup is fine with the two shuttles, the ridership doesn't warrant such changes

[Around the Horn]

Just out of curiosity, what do the blue lights mean on the sides of the PATH cars? All the trains I saw today had them flashing

 

 

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[Trainmaster5]

I'll leave this thought here instead of the R188 thread. I'm sure that many people remember that the line CBTC project was a signal and a car equipment (R143) combination deal. People seem to overlook that the line CBTC project is basically a signal project with the car conversions being a supplement to the real project. I've followed that R188 thread since it's inception but ,IMO, it seems that many posters are focused on the car equipment side of the and lines and have overlooked the whole reason for the expenditure of the money in the first place. I'd guess that East New York, AndrewJC, and my active RTO employees are the only folks who realize that the success or failure of this CBTC test relates to the signal portion moreso than the car equipment factor. It's not really comparable to the line project in scope, at least to me. Just my opinion though. Carry on.

[checkmatechamp13]

Not entirely since this would also eliminate the Rockaway Park shuttle.

 

You could also keep the shuttle and have alternate trains (except rush hours and late nights) terminate at Howard Beach-JFK (perhaps with a rebuild of Aqueduct-North Conduit (for the casino/racetrack) and Howard Beach to three platforms so trains can short-turn in either location as needed).

 

It would still be more expensive than the current setup. Let's say the current Lefferts trains go to Rockaway Park, absorbing the Rockaway Park Shuttle (which probably still costs a bit more). That means you have to pay extra money to extend the train from Euclid to Lefferts.