realizm Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6651 Posted May 14, 2014 First off, there's a big difference between dancing on a wide open platform and doing the same in a confined subway car that's in motion and packed with riders. Also, these two weren't doing stunts that could potentially injure someone. Another thing, the couple won their suit not because of the city overruling the MTA's Code of Conduct, but rather being detained for 23 hours by the NYPD. Accordingly the MTA rules of conduct states that it is disorderly conduct to "block free movement on a station, stairway, platform or conveyance" So it applies. Thats how I look at it. The couple were detained because they failed to show proper ID. Credit cards does not suffice as ID too bad for them. If this was in a poorer neighborhood the police will do the same thing if a local person under suspicion cannot show proper ID, they will be detained at the precinct. So the way I see it it was justified. I see your argument, ok you are bringing a good set of cards to the table. My thing is that I dont believe in double standards, thats my jist of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6652 Posted May 14, 2014 Let's see who knows their Seinfeld trivia....what does the ad wrap train and Mets-Willets Point have in common? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6653 Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Let me add my hardline opinion on this in advance. 46 people and an additional at least another 50 urban youths have been arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for dancing on trains. Fine but waitaminute.... Interesting to note however, only one couple have been arrested for dancing the Charleston on the subway, but they got a pass like many hipsters do when they pull the same nomnsense and was awarded $75K for the infraction after the cops did what they had to do, and rightfully so, making no biased judgements. Calling the kettle black City of New York? So urban breakdancers should be thrown in jail with no mercy, but the privileged folks when doing the same gets a settlement? The prosecutors involved couldn't push the fact that they broke the rules, period. Gee no wonder Bratton is making the right call here on revising how to deal with breakdancers. Because its not just breakdancers disrupting subway service... Laughable. I never knew the City of New York made an clause for exception to disrupting subway service if you are are an upper class commuter smut polka dancing after a stupid Lincoln Center concert in the middle of a crowded subway platform creating a danger to customers despite what the MTA rules of conduct says. Apparently having the money to pay for sinister lawyers who feels overruling following rules and regulations set by the MTA is what they call justice being served. The litmus test for racism or economic discrimination is whether black people or poor people doing the same thing as the arrested couple did would be arrested, detained, and subsequently win a $75,000 award. You are comparing two things that can't be compared. Had a hipsters got into a crowded subway car and done the Charleston dance or "urban" dance with the cops watching, I don't think you'd doubt that the cops would be on their ass for dangerous conduct. But of course, they would never do that. And black folks don't do the Charleston on the platforms either (please prove me wrong here). So there is no data to support a comparison… I see your argument, ok you are bringing a good set of cards to the table. My thing is that I dont believe in double standards, thats my jist of it.…and therefore, no double standard applied. First off, there's a big difference between dancing on a wide open platform and doing the same in a confined subway car that's in motion and packed with riders. Also, these two weren't doing stunts that could potentially injure someone. Another thing, the couple won their suit not because of the city overruling the MTA's Code of Conduct, but rather being detained for 23 hours by the NYPD. Ah. The Devil is in the details. EDIT: And aren't we on the 666th page of this thread? The way I see it, the Charleston is equally dangerous inside a subway car given the kind of moves involved however limited. On a platform, depending on where it is done, you just might shove a person into the tracks as they're passing through your performance. Edited May 14, 2014 by CenSin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6654 Posted May 14, 2014 The TOMC was spotted at 59th......by me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6655 Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) One of the pictures of the Union Square Wreck that I haven't seen yet. Thought I'd share it with you guys. SOURCE: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2013/10/new-york-city-subway-operators-photography-club/7370/ Edited May 14, 2014 by R188 7857 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted May 14, 2014 Share #6656 Posted May 14, 2014 The litmus test for racism or economic discrimination is whether black people or poor people doing the same thing as the arrested couple did would be arrested, detained, and subsequently win a $75,000 award. You are comparing two things that can't be compared. Had a hipsters got into a crowded subway car and done the Charleston dance or "urban" dance with the cops watching, I don't think you'd doubt that the cops would be on their ass for dangerous conduct. But of course, they would never do that. And black folks don't do the Charleston on the platforms either (please prove me wrong here). So there is no data to support a comparison… …and therefore, no double standard applied. Ah. The Devil is in the details. EDIT: And aren't we on the 666th page of this thread? The way I see it, the Charleston is equally dangerous inside a subway car given the kind of moves involved however limited. On a platform, depending on where it is done, you just might shove a person into the tracks as they're passing through your performance. I edited the initial comment for deletion as I muse on your point further. Allow if you may to make final concluding comments on the hot topic and we'll let the kids continue with the discussion on their end. In the light of what you've said thats why Commissioner Bratton wants to revise the rules on how breakdancing incidents are to be handled by the MTA and NYPD. In his estimation, he views the rash of arrests on breakdancers as something that borders along the lines of his policy to put an end to racial profiling. Therefore he is working with the MTA according to The Gothamist, coming up with an initiative that would allow breakdancers with free permits to perform in areas of the subway that are not dangerous or impedes the flow of traffic. The MTA rules may have to be revised in the process to allow performances in station mezzanines, as current TAB rules are very vague on what constitutes appropriate areas for such urban arts performances on MTA property. I think thats a good compromise to allow for performance permits on mezzanines as it is understood that it is dangerous to customers to cause disruptions like this on station platforms or trains regardless of dancing the Charleston or breakdancing, in the light that Bratton recognizes that breakdancing for that matter is indeed an intricate part of urban performing arts that makes NYC what it is as a unique city in a class of its own. Thats my final thought on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted May 15, 2014 Share #6657 Posted May 15, 2014 East New York's R160s got a program update. trains now Read "Jamaica Local" and "Jamaica Exp" does this program simplify commuting options for passengers? Or will they get confused and think the train only runs in Queens? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 15, 2014 Share #6658 Posted May 15, 2014 Or will they get confused and think the train only runs in Queens? No, is the answer, but also, it'd be a lot more helpful to think the J/Z only ran in Queens than to think it on ran along Nassau St in Manhattan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted May 15, 2014 Share #6659 Posted May 15, 2014 No, is the answer, but also, it'd be a lot more helpful to think the J/Z only ran in Queens than to think it on ran along Nassau St in Manhattan. Thanks MHV9218 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted May 15, 2014 Share #6660 Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) After school, whenever an R32 or R42 shows up first on the Queens-bound side at Norwood Avenue, I remain on the (after an RFW in both directions on the entirety of the route) until Broadway Junction. Then I get on the , get off at Livonia, then run over to Junius (yes, I used my Student MetroCard a third time and that's it), then get off at Rutland and continue on my way home, which isn't so far at all. By the time I'm on the and platforms, respectively, they are only about a minute or two away. I've timed the running time on my way home from Jamaica to Rutland and this way is significantly faster. This is the evening rush hour. Back then, I ran over to the first car and get off at Alabama. Several times I've waited nearly a half-hour or nearly a full hour for the B12 bus and how severely overcrowded it was. During the long wait, about 4 Manhattan-bound trains passed leaving Alabama. It is much faster for me to take the to the , then the , than to get off at Alabama (at the front of the train) and waiting, waiting and waiting for the B12 bus. I can't believe I haven't thought of this at first. Damn. Edited May 15, 2014 by RollOver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted May 15, 2014 Share #6661 Posted May 15, 2014 There's still an sign up at Canal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6662 Posted May 16, 2014 The redbirds are running on Sunday? Someone said they're running from 12 to 5 on Sunday in the photo thread featuring 9586/9587. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6663 Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) Let's see who knows their Seinfeld trivia....what does the ad wrap train and Mets-Willets Point have in common? Kramer and Newman went to see a game at Shea Stadium (which was Willets Point-Shea Stadium at the time the episode takes place), where they accused Keith Hernandez of spitting on them, when, in fact, it was Roger McDowell. Edited May 16, 2014 by MTA Bus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6664 Posted May 16, 2014 So there's 2 R42s out on the back to back now. Haven't seen them out this late at night in ages. ...did manage to miss the R32 as well. Really glad I did lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6665 Posted May 16, 2014 ...did manage to miss the R32 as well. Really glad I did lol I see what you did there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6666 Posted May 16, 2014 In the light of what you've said thats why Commissioner Bratton wants to revise the rules on how breakdancing incidents are to be handled by the MTA and NYPD. In his estimation, he views the rash of arrests on breakdancers as something that borders along the lines of his policy to put an end to racial profiling. Therefore he is working with the MTA according to The Gothamist, coming up with an initiative that would allow breakdancers with free permits to perform in areas of the subway that are not dangerous or impedes the flow of traffic. The MTA rules may have to be revised in the process to allow performances in station mezzanines, as current TAB rules are very vague on what constitutes appropriate areas for such urban arts performances on MTA property. I think thats a good compromise to allow for performance permits on mezzanines as it is understood that it is dangerous to customers to cause disruptions like this on station platforms or trains regardless of dancing the Charleston or breakdancing, in the light that Bratton recognizes that breakdancing for that matter is indeed an intricate part of urban performing arts that makes NYC what it is as a unique city in a class of its own. Thats my final thought on this. The best possible outcome is probably what's going to happen in the near future: issuing of free permits to perform in safe locations. Meanwhile, they just need to maintain the pressure on these activities on the train and platforms. That's about as good as it can get and as much as I can say about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6667 Posted May 16, 2014 The best possible outcome is probably what's going to happen in the near future: issuing of free permits to perform in safe locations. Meanwhile, they just need to maintain the pressure on these activities on the train and platforms. That's about as good as it can get and as much as I can say about it. I agree. I think thats a excellent compromise on the part of Commissioner Bratton as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6668 Posted May 16, 2014 The best possible outcome is probably what's going to happen in the near future: issuing of free permits to perform in safe locations. Meanwhile, they just need to maintain the pressure on these activities on the train and platforms. That's about as good as it can get and as much as I can say about it. OMG the 6666th post in this thread! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6669 Posted May 16, 2014 ... And yet, nothing even remotely sinister has happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted May 16, 2014 Share #6670 Posted May 16, 2014 ... And yet, nothing even remotely sinister has happened. Surprisingly, and also I thought that the R46s only ran on the Q immediately after 9/11 but then I saw this Line: IND 63rd Street Location: 21st Street/Queensbridge Route: Q Car: R-46 (Pullman-Standard, 1974-75) Photo by: Mark S. Feinman Date: 1989 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted May 17, 2014 Share #6671 Posted May 17, 2014 I noticed that the SMEEs run often more on the during the summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted May 17, 2014 Share #6672 Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) If I'm going out on Sunday to catch the TOMC, for sure I'm aiming for that 3-in-one shot at Main Street. TOMC-R62A-R188. Will be epic! Edited May 17, 2014 by R188 7857 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted May 17, 2014 Share #6673 Posted May 17, 2014 If I'm going out on Sunday to catch the TOMC, for sure I'm aiming for that 3-in-one shot at Main Street. TOMC-R62A-R188. Will be epic! I remember a couple years ago on a TOMC/Low V trip at Gun Hill Road on the 2, the TOMC and Low V both slowly left GH Road N/B while a OOS 142 slowly came into the station S/B, thus setting up that 3 peat shot.. I wonder if the TA will do something like that this weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted May 17, 2014 Share #6674 Posted May 17, 2014 I see what you did there. Saw another one today, once again ended up missing it lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted May 17, 2014 Share #6675 Posted May 17, 2014 Saw another one today, once again ended up missing it lol Dont worry, I always seem to miss the R68 N on my own damn line. Blessing or curse? You decide, the choice is yours.... =D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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