SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[P3F]

At Fulton St on the , the rear end of the Brooklyn platform and front end to Washington Heights is blocked off. 

Since the platform ends at a stairway, I presume the stairway is closed?

[Calvin]

Since the platform ends at a stairway, I presume the stairway is closed?

It's still open. The change is that it's covered with caution tapes. 

[Trainmaster5]

Just some random musings I've had for a while;

 

1- As someone pointed out elsewhere why don't the planning/ zoning folk in NYC communicate with the when new constuction is proposed before it's green-lighted ? This Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside thing seems makeshift at best.

 

2- Speaking of Astoria and the clamor for more service up there can you posters clue me in on the real problem ? Is this a rush hour problem , a weekday problem, or a lack of adequate service daily. Suppose I leave the up there and add the to the mix? In other words ditch the from that area and instead run the from 71 St-Continental to Whitehall ? Re-create the old line but run it seven days a week ending at 9 pm? Would that work. Before you guys bring up the yard argument if the is sharing Astoria terminal with it they would share a combined fleet too. Cars that need to be serviced would run as trains.

 

3 -This is an SAS question and I do not pretend to know the answers. There are posters who are claiming the trains are overcrowded up there. Again I ask if this is a rush hour or an ongoing problem ? I've spoken to two people who have been with Transit for a combined 70 years. One of them uses the daily during the early part of the am rush from 96th St. He asked me if I started reading the NY Post because that's the type of "tripe" (his word) they write.about every city agency except the NYPD. In other words it sells papers. When I asked him about the increased ridership on the SAS he pointed out that of course ridership is increasing when you start from zero. When he asked me what I would do I said that if it's a rush hour thing I'd add one or two trains and call it a day.

 

4 - Actually includes 2, and 3. If the choke point that is DeKalb Avenue is near or at capacity why do so many posters propose sending more trains via the Montague tunnel or Manhattan Bridge to Bay Parkway or Ninth Avenue ? Proposals to send the or down there somewhere for whatever reason reeks of foam to me.

 

5- My last question is directed toward a special poster whom we all know. Believe me I do like you even after reading some of your proposals. Those of us who visit the bus forums will notice that this week the Q37 bus route out in Queens has decided to run buses that bypass the casino and racetrack at Aqueduct. Lack of ridership at that location. I remember someone asking for increased subway service to that location which I, as a patron, and an RTO person said wasn't needed. AHEM. No apology necessary. Carry on.

[RR503]

1. Probably because the MTA is a state concern and planning is a city one. We all know how those 2 levels of govt get along... 

 

2. Why would you do that? Isn't it easier to just increase service? Also FWIW, I've heard that the astoria crowding issues aren't actually as bad as people say. People at my office were doing a capacity survey on 60th st this spring, and at least on the days they went, very few trains were crushloaded. I believe this was PM rush though, so take with a grain of salt. And I know I'm always pushing broadway swap, but that is really the easiest way to add service. No more merge at 34th gets you more bandwith through 60th, and therefore more capacity to astoria (which, as pointed out in another thread, can in fact handle more TPH than current). 

 

3. I've heard internally that crowding is the rule, and whenever I've visited, it has been quite well patronized. That said, I don't ride the line regularly, so I'll defer to others here who do. 

 

4. In dekalb, the issues lie for the most part north of the station, where Brighton and 4th ave express services do ballet to become 2 pairs of tracks over the bridge. For Montague, trains don't have to traverse that part of the interlocking, and in fact experience 0 merges, so capacity can be added. Remember the brown used to run on those tracks too. As for those who say send more via the Manhattan Bridge..........

 

5. Cool. I don't know anything about that, but I can 100% sympathize with foamnnoyance. 

Edited September 9, 2017 by RR503

[paulrivera]

I hope the runs the Super Express for the Tampa Bay Rays' homestand in Flushing this week...

 

Wow, that sounded really weird, awkward, and wrong to say...

 

I hate hurricanes...

[Missabassie]

I've been mulling this over for a bit.... What would it take for the to consider throwing a decent amount of cash into extending the service life of the R68/R68A. I barely remember GOH back in the 90's (I was a lil' scraper) for the R44/46s b/c they were so decrepit, but JR group companies do this over in Japan with their commuter trains from the 70's, 80's & whatnot. Basically to give the 68/A's a good 10+ years of additional use since they're still in pretty good shape. I'm talking a dedicated overhaul, not this ragtag stuff they did to a few 2800's....

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

(yeah, I know.... there's no money fo that :P )

[MHV9218]

I've been mulling this over for a bit.... What would it take for the to consider throwing a decent amount of cash into extending the service life of the R68/R68A. I barely remember GOH back in the 90's (I was a lil' scraper) for the R44/46s b/c they were so decrepit, but JR group companies do this over in Japan with their commuter trains from the 70's, 80's & whatnot. Basically to give the 68/A's a good 10+ years of additional use since they're still in pretty good shape. I'm talking a dedicated overhaul, not this ragtag stuff they did to a few 2800's....

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

(yeah, I know.... there's no money fo that :P )

 

I don't think GOHs are likely to make much of a comeback. The creation of the SMS program (scheduled maintenance!) was in part to avoid getting to the same sort of point ever again, where years of deferred maintenance meant that cars needed entirely replaced or rebuilt components to return to functional service. With SMS guidelines followed, a refresh of GOH status shouldn't need to happen. GOH, after all, wasn't really an upgrade for a lot of those cars--it was just a repair process.

 

Now, I would note that 1) many of the R68As have lived a fairly charmed life as weekday-only cars, which will extend their use and 2) it's not beyond the realm of possibility to have a few cars saved and overhauled to extend life. If any got preserved, I'd bet on the newer and less beaten-up R68As. That sort of thing happened with the BMT Standards in the 1960s, along with the R10s into the 1980s. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened. 

[CenSin]

I missed the Broadway express tonight, but no harm done. A followed right behind on the local track. I’d take a Brighton local over a West End local any day. The West End is the slowest of the lines to Coney Island.

[LongLiveRock]

3 -This is an SAS question and I do not pretend to know the answers. There are posters who are claiming the trains are overcrowded up there. Again I ask if this is a rush hour or an ongoing problem ? I've spoken to two people who have been with Transit for a combined 70 years. One of them uses the daily during the early part of the am rush from 96th St. He asked me if I started reading the NY Post because that's the type of "tripe" (his word) they write.about every city agency except the NYPD. In other words it sells papers. When I asked him about the increased ridership on the SAS he pointed out that of course ridership is increasing when you start from zero. When he asked me what I would do I said that if it's a rush hour thing I'd add one or two trains and call it a day.

 

 

 

 

 

3. It's definitely a rush hour problem. I mean, sometimes trains will be SRO after 86th Street outside of rush hour, but it's much less common

[CenSin]

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Culver isn't slower despite the "(F)" completely Local towards Manhattan, and "(D)" exp after 36th?

When I say “line” I mean the physical right-of-way and the tracks on it. When I say “route” I mean the path that the trains take using the lines. This weekend, the has been rerouted to use the Queens Boulevard, Broadway, 4 Avenue, and West End lines. A Broadway express, 4 Avenue and West End local routing makes the the slowest of the pack compared to a Broadway and Brighton local routing for the .

[Calvin]

96 St-2 Av rollsigns are now in on the R68/As

Edited September 9, 2017 by CH3348

[trainfan22]

Just got off than R68 N train, always nice to catch 68 N trains, especially on a Saturday.

[Calvin]

Before the sticker was placed, were there any sighting of R68 "(Q)" trains AFTER SAS opened? Which line was that R68 running on?

that was on a train from a photo posted by a friend, but it's changed back to Norwood-205 St. And no, R68s were on the after SAS opened. 

[Porter]

The Fulton Center now lists the following lines on all of its signage:

 

There is one circle left blank, which I assume will be filled when is added to these lit sign posts and awnings.

 

The addition of the is self-explanatory, but I'm not sure whether was added for the original WTC connection that recently opened, or otherwise, for the future to connection.

[quadcorder]

The Fulton Center now lists the following lines on all of its signage:

 

Pics?

[Around the Horn]

The Fulton Center now lists the following lines on all of its signage:

 

There is one circle left blank, which I assume will be filled when is added to these lit sign posts and awnings.

 

The addition of the is self-explanatory, but I'm not sure whether was added for the original WTC connection that recently opened, or otherwise, for the future to connection.

That's been like that since at least March lmao

[S78 via Hylan]

What's been happening with the overnights? It seems that every Sunday morning, the scheduled 2:51 AM trip at my station comes late. It happened again just a few minutes ago as my train came at 3:03. We got to Sutphin Blvd so late, that next train caught up behind us. This is getting ridiculous.

 

It's not me because I always make sure to be at Norwood Ave, my home stop at least 5-10 minutes before that scheduled arrival.

 

I usually don't rant about stuff like this, but when it involves working very late or early, things like this aren't helpful when trains are running every 20 minutes.

Edited September 10, 2017 by S78 via Hylan

[LGA Link N Train]

What's been happening with the overnights? It seems that every Sunday morning, the scheduled 2:51 AM trip at my station comes late. It happened again just a few minutes ago as my train came at 3:03. We got to Sutphin Blvd so late, that next train caught up behind us. This is getting ridiculous.

 

It's not me because I always make sure to be at Norwood Ave, my home stop at least 5-10 minutes before that scheduled arrival.

 

I usually don't rant about stuff like this, but when it involves working very late or early, things like this aren't helpful when trains are running every 20 minutes.

Norwood is the stop that I get off to go to school

 

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[LGA Link N Train]

Back in 2012-2013, did anyone get to see the temporary shuttle running from Far Rockaway to Beach 90 St? I got to see it.

I saw videos of it and I still have the map

 

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[Union Tpke]

Back in 2012-2013, did anyone get to see the temporary shuttle running from Far Rockaway to Beach 90 St? I got to see it.

 

I did.

[Missabassie]

I don't think GOHs are likely to make much of a comeback. The creation of the SMS program (scheduled maintenance!) was in part to avoid getting to the same sort of point ever again, where years of deferred maintenance meant that cars needed entirely replaced or rebuilt components to return to functional service. With SMS guidelines followed, a refresh of GOH status shouldn't need to happen. GOH, after all, wasn't really an upgrade for a lot of those cars--it was just a repair process.

 

Now, I would note that 1) many of the R68As have lived a fairly charmed life as weekday-only cars, which will extend their use and 2) it's not beyond the realm of possibility to have a few cars saved and overhauled to extend life. If any got preserved, I'd bet on the newer and less beaten-up R68As. That sort of thing happened with the BMT Standards in the 1960s, along with the R10s into the 1980s. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened.

Interesting

[ttcsubwayfan]

Here's a question I've been pondering about - what is the point of the skip stop service on the ? Can anyone who is more familiar with that service clarify whether it's actually beneficial for ridership to have a bunch of stations only served by one of the lines?

[LGA Link N Train]

Here's a question I've been pondering about - what is the point of the skip stop service on the ? Can anyone who is more familiar with that service clarify whether it's actually beneficial for ridership to have a bunch of stations only served by one of the lines?

Ridership demands and that it's efficient, I use the Skip Stop service to go to school every morning and maraculously end up on time to school everyday and the fact that it's a skip stop makes it efficient and effective, the only down fall for the in General is frequency and that pisses me off

 

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Edited September 11, 2017 by LGA Link N train

[MetroTransitTee]

Just saw Q shuttle bus signs at Atlantic-Barclays. When did that happen?

[S78 via Hylan]

Just saw Q shuttle bus signs at Atlantic-Barclays. When did that happen?

It's more than likely for the Fastrack this week.