East New York Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share #1726 Posted June 2, 2015 The R179 is "supposed to be" lighter than the R160. However now that the structure has been reworked this may not be the case. We will have to see what the R211 has to offer as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted June 3, 2015 Share #1727 Posted June 3, 2015 The R179 is "supposed to be" lighter than the R160. However now that the structure has been reworked this may not be the case. We will have to see what the R211 has to offer as well. How significant is this structural reworking? Is there a cosmetic difference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted June 3, 2015 Share #1728 Posted June 3, 2015 There wouldn't need to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1729 Posted June 8, 2015 I have a question. Do you guys think it would be better if the 179 have strips maps since they're only going to be and . I say that because 1. The will have their own amount of cars 2. And the will have their own plus they have extra R160 trains. 3. Save money that can be used lol. It's just an opinion not trying to start an argument lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1730 Posted June 8, 2015 Strip maps are outdated and FINDS are more affordable these days. Plus, passenger information clarity comes first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1731 Posted June 8, 2015 I'm with LTA. Also, what if some R179s from the were to be sent to the b/c the R160s there are sent to the once again? That would mean work would need to be done to change those maps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1732 Posted June 8, 2015 I have a question. Do you guys think it would be better if the 179 have strips maps since they're only going to be and . I say that because 1. The will have their own amount of cars 2. And the will have their own plus they have extra R160 trains. 3. Save money that can be used lol. It's just an opinion not trying to start an argument lol Nah, I would imagine cars will be swapped between the and from time to time. And the shares 160s with the , 179s will most likely be on the too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1733 Posted June 8, 2015 Strip maps are outdated and FINDS are more affordable these days. Plus, passenger information clarity comes first. Strip Maps are not outdated. They are more sustainable, cost less energy, and are extremely useful on basically every system that doesn't use intertracking. ...AKA, most of the cities with metro systems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1734 Posted June 8, 2015 Strip Maps are not outdated. They are more sustainable, cost less energy, and are extremely useful on basically every system that doesn't use intertracking. ...AKA, most of the cities with metro systems. "Sustainable"?? I beg to differ. Reprogramming a FIND over the course of 40 years is MUCH more sustainable than printing out new stickers or entire strip map cars when something must be changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1735 Posted June 8, 2015 Nah, I would imagine cars will be swapped between the and from time to time. And the shares 160s with the , 179s will most likely be on the too. Potenial lines the R179's can be on is the and probably . One can very well show up on the but that will be very rare and only happen because of some disruption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1736 Posted June 8, 2015 Any pictures of the R179's yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1737 Posted June 8, 2015 Strip Maps are not outdated. They are more sustainable, cost less energy, and are extremely useful on basically every system that doesn't use intertracking. ...AKA, most of the cities with metro systems. Most cities with metro systems operate completely isolated 2-track lines. So naturally it would be more useful. But this system is not them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted June 8, 2015 Share #1738 Posted June 8, 2015 "Sustainable"?? I beg to differ. Reprogramming a FIND over the course of 40 years is MUCH more sustainable than printing out new stickers or entire strip map cars when something must be changed. That's true, but I'm under the assumption that for static lines that won't change anytime soon, it's more sustainable from an energy perspective. Most cities with metro systems operate completely isolated 2-track lines. So naturally it would be more useful. But this system is not them. True, true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted June 10, 2015 Share #1739 Posted June 10, 2015 The 188s came with interior strip maps instead of FINDs to be completely compatible with the converted 142As. If the MTA wanted to put out the money to upgrade the 142As line maps to FINDs, the new cars would've come with them as well. It makes no sense to incorporate those very dated strip maps in more modern trains. In fact, the FINDs themselves are becoming quite dated and I hope they shift toward something along the lines of LED/LCD screens for the next version of line maps when it comes to designing the 211s and later cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted June 11, 2015 Share #1740 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Also remember there is no point on using FINDs on the R188s when their only for the its a waste of money and resources... Now finds would make more sense on the R142s on the and because they always swap cars at Flatbush, Edited June 11, 2015 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayboy Posted June 11, 2015 Share #1741 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) "Sustainable"?? I beg to differ. Reprogramming a FIND over the course of 40 years is MUCH more sustainable than printing out new stickers or entire strip map cars when something must be changed. By Lance: The 188s came with interior strip maps instead of FINDs to be completely compatible with the converted 142As. If the MTA wanted to put out the money to upgrade the 142As line maps to FINDs, the new cars would've come with them as well. It makes no sense to incorporate those very dated strip maps in more modern trains. In fact, the FINDs themselves are becoming quite dated and I hope they shift toward something along the lines of LED/LCD screens for the next version of line maps when it comes to designing the 211s and later cars. It would be nice if the MTA would use the lcd screens on the FIND to play TV type news feeds etc (like they do on the PATH) and maybe run some ads to get revenue. They could charge more than for just the static poster ads. Anyone know of a forum for just the FIND on here? Edited June 11, 2015 by subwayboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted June 11, 2015 Share #1742 Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah when I rode PATH I noticed their cars have the weather and stuff like that and it would be nice to have that on the R160's LCDs, and of course some more ad revenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracamonte Posted June 12, 2015 Share #1743 Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I agree. On the PA-5's, the tv screens always display news of the day and weather. It just makes me wonder why the R160's can't display those. The only things they've been showing are MTA related stuff. Like P3F said, displaying news and weather will generate a lot more revenue. Edited June 12, 2015 by Bracamonte 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 12, 2015 Share #1744 Posted June 12, 2015 The 160 FIND's were once demonstrated showing ads, and even the crude R143 RYG LED screen was supposed to carry ads (I don't even think they're on anymore), so I don't know what the is doing. (Likewise, unused retail space in the new Jackson Heights and Myrtle-Wyckoff station buildings). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 12, 2015 Share #1745 Posted June 12, 2015 The 160 FIND's were once demonstrated showing ads, and even the crude R143 RYG LED screen was supposed to carry ads (I don't even think they're on anymore), so I don't know what the is doing. (Likewise, unused retail space in the new Jackson Heights and Myrtle-Wyckoff station buildings). They're still on, still showing the same thing they been showing since they were delivered lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted June 13, 2015 Share #1746 Posted June 13, 2015 The MTA wouldn't recognize an advertising opportunity if it hit them dead in the face. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted June 17, 2015 Share #1747 Posted June 17, 2015 I really see the R179s going to the and lines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted June 17, 2015 Share #1748 Posted June 17, 2015 Nah, I would imagine cars will be swapped between the and from time to time. And the shares 160s with the , 179s will most likely be on the too. I don't really see the R179s on the , the is fine the way it is while the , , have the oldest equipment in the system but I can be wrong let see what happens when the R179s come 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted June 17, 2015 Share #1749 Posted June 17, 2015 The four-car R179s can be shared on the , and at any given time, just like the R160s. It's still basically the same. They're all NTTs anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 18, 2015 Share #1750 Posted June 18, 2015 I don't really see the R179s on the , the is fine the way it is while the , , have the oldest equipment in the system but I can be wrong let see what happens when the R179s come They will be on the , , , and , and if they come delivered CBTC-ready, you may see them on the too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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