MTA Bus Operations: Fleet & Depots

[JeremiahC99]

52 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

2020-2024 Capital Program

Bus Replacement:

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

This is going to be one interesting batch . I wonder what the fuel type will the non-electric buses run on, aside from the possible diesel buses for the express order. Will it be Hybrid buses? Fuel Cell? CNG possibly for fleet replacement? Oh the world may never know yet.

[Brillant93]

13 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

This is going to be one interesting batch . I wonder what the fuel type will the non-electric buses run on, aside from the possible diesel buses for the express order. Will it be Hybrid buses? Fuel Cell? CNG possibly for fleet replacement? Oh the world may never know yet.

I think hybrid and CNG will be standard buses. Would be interesting to see where they would be going though. 

[Iron Valiant]

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

2020-2024 Capital Program

Bus Replacement:

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

Is there a possibility for more Proterra buses?

[Future ENY OP]

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

2020-2024 Capital Program

Bus Replacement:

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

Great update @Around the Horn

Now the question begs and it’s prolly too early too tell but hopefully XDE60’s are on the list and a mix bag of D4500CT’s and CRT45LE for express. 

[trainfan22]

The TA won't need new artics for quite a while considering that on average the TA keeps buses for at least 15 years, and the oldest artic currently in the fleet is from 2010.

 

[JeremiahC99]

1 hour ago, Snorunts said:

Is there a possibility for more Proterra buses?

Possibly, but I do expect some New Flyer and NovaBus vehicles in the play as well. Currently, when orders are split for local buses, it’s usually a 60/40 split, with 60% of the order going to New Flyer (usually for Manhattan and Brooklyn buses), and 40% for NovaBus (for the Bronx, Queens, and Staten Island). It is unknown how split orders will work with the addition of Proterra and possibly BYD.

[MysteriousBtrain]

1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

The TA won't need new artics for quite a while considering that on average the TA keeps buses for at least 15 years, and the oldest artic currently in the fleet is from 2010.

 

The MTA is gonna "attempt" to retire buses by the 12 yr mark now so let's see what happens.

[Around the Horn]

25 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Possibly, but I do expect some New Flyer and NovaBus vehicles in the play as well. Currently, when orders are split for local buses, it’s usually a 60/40 split, with 60% of the order going to New Flyer (usually for Manhattan and Brooklyn buses), and 40% for NovaBus (for the Bronx, Queens, and Staten Island). It is unknown how split orders will work with the addition of Proterra and possibly BYD.

Right now NovaBus does not offer a long range electric bus...

The LFSe is quick charge, short range unlike the Proterra and XE40.

[Around the Horn]

1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

The TA won't need new artics for quite a while considering that on average the TA keeps buses for at least 15 years, and the oldest artic currently in the fleet is from 2010.

 

There are more artic conversions in the pipeline so these would replace standards and be for fleet expansion.

[NBTA]

2 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

There are more artic conversions in the pipeline so these would replace standards and be for fleet expansion.

That’s gonna be a problem for snow storms too, should always have standards in reserve unless if these artics can actually handle snowstorms now. 

[Around the Horn]

9 minutes ago, NBTA said:

That’s gonna be a problem for snow storms too, should always have standards in reserve unless if these artics can actually handle snowstorms now. 

Shouldn't be a problem for the electric ones since all axles are powered

[JeremiahC99]

42 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

The MTA is gonna "attempt" to retire buses by the 12 yr mark now so let's see what happens.

Looks like the 2006-07 Hybrids are already at the mark. Let’s start with those.

40 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Right now NovaBus does not offer a long range electric bus...

The LFSe is quick charge, short range unlike the Proterra and XE40.

That’s weird. I thought they were.

When are they going to make an LFSe that is long range and quick charging.

[GojiMet86]

4 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

2020-2024 Capital Program

Bus Replacement:

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

375+713+100+245+115=1548 for NYCTA.

NYCTA:

Purchase a total of 1,548 new buses for local $821m and express services throughout the network. New bus purchases include 475 standard and articulated all-electric buses, accelerating NYCT's transition to a zero-emission fleet. The fleet is being expanded to provide better connectivity and more direct service

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For NYCT, 1,548 buses are to be purchased, including 1,088 standard buses, 345 articulated buses, and 115 express buses; 1,454 of the buses to be purchased will replace buses that have reached the end of their useful life, and the other 94 buses will provide fleet growth; 375 of the standard buses and 100 of the articulated buses will feature all-electric propulsion. These purchases, in concert with the electric buses purchased under the MTA Bus program, are projected to yield an annual reduction of over 37,000 tons of carbon emissions.

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

 

 

MTA Bus:

Purchase a total of 874 new buses for local and express services throughout the network. New bus purchases include 25 standard all-electric buses, commencing MTA Bus's transition to a zero-emission fleet. The fleet is being expanded to provide better connectivity and more direct service

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874 buses are to be purchased, including 545 standard buses, 79 articulated buses, and 250 express buses. 782 of these new buses will replace existing buses, including some that will be up to 15 years old at the time of their retirement, and the other 92 buses will provide fleet growth. 25 of the standard buses will feature all-electric propulsion; Deficient components at up to five MTA Bus depots will be addressed, targeting structural elements, heating/ventilation, and electrical systems. Continued investment in miscellaneous depot equipment, including bus lifts; The first MTA Bus depot will be modified to support an electric fleet with power upgrades, the chargers, and other improvements necessary to maintain this fleet.

25 Standard Electric Buses

520 Standard Buses

79 Articulated Buses

250 Express Buses

[T J Trainman]

standard buses I guess these are diesel?

[Iron Valiant]

10 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

The TA won't need new artics for quite a while considering that on average the TA keeps buses for at least 15 years, and the oldest artic currently in the fleet is from 2010.

You do realize that maybe they would want to create a new articulated route...

[WestFarms36]

13 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

375+713+100+245+115=1548 for NYCTA.

NYCTA:

Purchase a total of 1,548 new buses for local $821m and express services throughout the network. New bus purchases include 475 standard and articulated all-electric buses, accelerating NYCT's transition to a zero-emission fleet. The fleet is being expanded to provide better connectivity and more direct service

(Page 57):

For NYCT, 1,548 buses are to be purchased, including 1,088 standard buses, 345 articulated buses, and 115 express buses; 1,454 of the buses to be purchased will replace buses that have reached the end of their useful life, and the other 94 buses will provide fleet growth; 375 of the standard buses and 100 of the articulated buses will feature all-electric propulsion. These purchases, in concert with the electric buses purchased under the MTA Bus program, are projected to yield an annual reduction of over 37,000 tons of carbon emissions.

375 Standard Electric Buses

713 Standard Buses

100 Articulated Electric Buses

245 Articulated Buses

115 Express Buses

 

 

MTA Bus:

Purchase a total of 874 new buses for local and express services throughout the network. New bus purchases include 25 standard all-electric buses, commencing MTA Bus's transition to a zero-emission fleet. The fleet is being expanded to provide better connectivity and more direct service

(Page 134):

874 buses are to be purchased, including 545 standard buses, 79 articulated buses, and 250 express buses. 782 of these new buses will replace existing buses, including some that will be up to 15 years old at the time of their retirement, and the other 92 buses will provide fleet growth. 25 of the standard buses will feature all-electric propulsion; Deficient components at up to five MTA Bus depots will be addressed, targeting structural elements, heating/ventilation, and electrical systems. Continued investment in miscellaneous depot equipment, including bus lifts; The first MTA Bus depot will be modified to support an electric fleet with power upgrades, the chargers, and other improvements necessary to maintain this fleet.

25 Standard Electric Buses

520 Standard Buses

79 Articulated Buses

250 Express Buses

Are the committee materials released yet? I am currently trying to search for them on new.mta.info don't find them under Transparency.

[Cait Sith]

17 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

This is going to be one interesting batch . I wonder what the fuel type will the non-electric buses run on, aside from the possible diesel buses for the express order. Will it be Hybrid buses? Fuel Cell? CNG possibly for fleet replacement? Oh the world may never know yet.

......you really think Fuel Cell would come here?😂🤣

17 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

I think hybrid and CNG will be standard buses. Would be interesting to see where they would be going though. 

Often times, when they say "Standard", that means diesel.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Cait Sith

[Brillant93]

6 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

......you really think Fuel Cell would come here?😂🤣

Often times, when they say "Standard", that means diesel.

Oh okay. Is this plan approved yet or does it have to go through review? 

[JeremiahC99]

16 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

......you really think Fuel Cell would come here?😂🤣

Often times, when they say "Standard", that means diesel.

I was being creative here bro. Anything can happen.

[Calvin]

5439, 5440, 5441, 5443 are at Flatbush

Edited September 20, 2019 by Calvin

[Brillant93]

14 minutes ago, Calvin said:

5439, 5440, 5441, 5443 are at Flatbush

Woah! Left field right there! I thought BK was gonna be unified to Xcesliors? 

[MTAbus677]

40 minutes ago, Calvin said:

5439, 5440, 5441, 5443 are at Flatbush

Seriously?!?!??? I guess the operators from Flatbush are tired of the 2012-2013 NovaBus LFSA!

[MTA Bus]

11 minutes ago, MTAbus677 said:

Seriously?!?!??? I guess the operators from Flatbush are tired of the 2012-2013 NovaBus LFSA!

Flatbush is short a few artics, from what I heard.

[Future ENY OP]

43 minutes ago, MTA Bus said:

Flatbush is short a few artics, from what I heard.

Hold up. Then current artics are at Zerega for extensive maintenance? Correct 

[trainfan22]

Those new Novas at Flatbush are probably loans, I doubt the TA wants to continue stocking parts for three different bus fleets at FLA (Orions, Novas and Flyers) . When its all said and done the Artic fleet at FLA will most likely be 100% XD60s.

 

 

As a busfan I wish theses new Novas would stay at FLA along with the XD60s but logically I don't think it will happen.