realizm Posted May 3, 2014 Share #126 Posted May 3, 2014 Is there any info how fast the train was when it derailed and what the top speed of trains is in the subway system? Well the train crew in regards to travelling at excessive speeds has been ruled out but theres no information on the actual speed of the train. According to the NYPD they played everything by the book and no violations has been made on their part. The official max speed for NYC Transit is 55 MPH even though in certain parts of the system, R160s in particular can hit 60 MPH. In the case of that stretch on the IND Queens Blvd in question, the established speed limit is 30 MPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted May 4, 2014 Share #127 Posted May 4, 2014 Realizm and 4P3607 will most likely be right. Southbound and trains would no longer fly through 65th and midway in the tunnel until near 36th like they used to. Subject to change of course. Still love that hauling speed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted May 4, 2014 Share #128 Posted May 4, 2014 Speaking of the derailment, I had to wait for an hour for a Bay Ridge bound train at 59 St from 6 to 7 a.m. I started to get pissed when 5 southbound trains came with no . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 4, 2014 Share #129 Posted May 4, 2014 Speaking of the derailment, I had to wait for an hour for a Bay Ridge bound train at 59 St from 6 to 7 a.m. I started to get pissed when 5 southbound trains came with no . Yeah well that can't be right because you know those trains always run according to the schedule according to some around here. *Sarcasm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted May 4, 2014 Share #130 Posted May 4, 2014 Is there any info how fast the train was when it derailed and what the top speed of trains is in the subway system? There weren't any R160's on the ! Those were rerouted trains, which have to be changed to the program since there's no to 168. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted May 4, 2014 Share #131 Posted May 4, 2014 I wasnt lying about that. Usually the first from 71 Av arrived at 59 St around 6:10 a.m and the I got came from 57 St/7 Av 42 minutes later and I heard that the station agent said that there was a delay. This was today early morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted May 4, 2014 Share #132 Posted May 4, 2014 According the latest press release from the MTA there actually is express service from Roosevelt to Continental on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Line Posted May 4, 2014 Share #133 Posted May 4, 2014 So if the rail broke, who'd be at fault? The manufacturer or the track workers?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted May 4, 2014 Share #134 Posted May 4, 2014 it 50-50 as right now. likely the mta fault more then manufacture imo. i remember a similar incident on NJT switch. The NJT workers was installing and repairing a switch and when train run over the switch, the train derail. it NJT workers fault because they didn't align the track properly according to the gauge. very rare to hear it manufacture fault. but let wait and see who to blame. it could be the old tie that just old and gave way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted May 4, 2014 Share #135 Posted May 4, 2014 There weren't any R160's on the ! Those were rerouted trains, which have to be changed to the program since there's no to 168. I heard there was an 8 car set on the as well. Rerouted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traingoat Posted May 4, 2014 Share #136 Posted May 4, 2014 it 50-50 as right now. likely the mta fault more then manufacture imo. i remember a similar incident on NJT switch. The NJT workers was installing and repairing a switch and when train run over the switch, the train derail. it NJT workers fault because they didn't align the track properly according to the gauge. very rare to hear it manufacture fault. but let wait and see who to blame. it could be the old tie that just old and gave way. In reading the thread from normal riders that area was always the bumpiest of the trip which meant the track was seated incorrectly. Also in the photos on page 3 shows tie down screws for gauge plates which are clean of any wood meaning they came out cleanly and they weren't designed to do it. So either the ties failed or somebody forgot to tighten them down enough. The bumpy ride was the tracks flexing as they weren't ballasted properly or were not level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 4, 2014 Share #137 Posted May 4, 2014 So the DJ on WBLS says he knows some people from transit who told him the TO has had a spotless record 15 years on the job and this is his first incident.Source also told him the TO has been recognized by the MTA as one of the best in the city... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 4, 2014 Share #138 Posted May 4, 2014 It's pretty much established the train crew isn't at fault for the derailment. The newly laid tracks in that area likely are the reason. That's why the MTA is investigating whether there were any defects in the tracks or if they were installed incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 4, 2014 Share #139 Posted May 4, 2014 Agreed.I also saw a graphic from the Daily News showing that QBL (50TH LL-Continental) has has the most track faults recently.Im looking around for it-if I find it I will post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted May 4, 2014 Share #140 Posted May 4, 2014 So if the rail broke, who'd be at fault? The manufacturer or the track workers?.. That can be determined through metallurgical testing, among other things. According to the MTA site the is running to Astoria for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted May 4, 2014 Share #141 Posted May 4, 2014 The is beginning/ending at 57 Street-7 Avenue so it doesn't delay the and trying to pass through at 71 Avenue, as the two aforementioned lines are making all local stops on Queens Boulevard. That's why the is extended to/from Astoria, Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted May 4, 2014 Share #142 Posted May 4, 2014 So if the rail broke, who'd be at fault? The manufacturer or the track workers?.. It's fairly easily to determine whether the manufacturer used the correct composition to make the steel alloy. If lab tests determine that the correct materials were in the rail, then cause would most likely be incorrect installation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted May 4, 2014 Share #143 Posted May 4, 2014 So if the rail broke, who'd be at fault? The manufacturer or the track workers?.. That can be determined through metallurgical testing, among other things. According to the MTA site the is running to Astoria for some reason.I was in a car on the GCP and looked at the Astoria Blvd station and I saw some Q trains.Using TapatalkWhich of the cars have damage and what kind of damage and how severe?Using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillWeaverRVA Posted May 5, 2014 Share #144 Posted May 5, 2014 Agreed.I also saw a graphic from the Daily News showing that QBL (50TH LL-Continental) has has the most track faults recently.Im looking around for it-if I find it I will post it here. I guess that part of the line's going to have to get some Fastrack repairs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traingoat Posted May 5, 2014 Share #145 Posted May 5, 2014 It's fairly easily to determine whether the manufacturer used the correct composition to make the steel alloy. If lab tests determine that the correct materials were in the rail, then cause would most likely be incorrect installation Actually the broken rail gives the answers. The break under examination can tell if the rail was made correctly where analysis would be in spec but had concentrations in the wrong amounts at the break but Xray analysis will show addition cracking not seen but nature and angles of what type of forces acting on the track giving if the installation was wrong and how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted May 5, 2014 Share #146 Posted May 5, 2014 The is beginning/ending at 57 Street-7 Avenue so it doesn't delay the and trying to pass through at 71 Avenue, as the two aforementioned lines are making all local stops on Queens Boulevard. That's why the is extended to/from Astoria, Queens. More or less yeah. Basically just so that the doesn't get delayed, it was extended to Astoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted May 5, 2014 Share #147 Posted May 5, 2014 Rumblings on Twitter say that full service will be restored at 5 am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted May 5, 2014 Share #148 Posted May 5, 2014 I guess that part of the line's going to have to get some Fastrack repairs... Yeah, well - QBL express service - lo and behold - is suspended late nights for the next two weeks and also for the next two weekends. Rumblings on Twitter say that full service will be restored at 5 am Press release on the MTA site says the same thing. Probably just going to leave extra time and walk the extra mile to the N in the morning. I don't trust service to be normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted May 5, 2014 Share #149 Posted May 5, 2014 Given what happened, it's gonna be slow going through that section for a while, so it's advisable to allow extra time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted May 5, 2014 Share #150 Posted May 5, 2014 There might have been an R46 on the after service resumed. Earlier at Roosevelt Avenue I saw the back of 5678 going SB, switching to the local track with the back rollsign displaying . It's possible that it ran after service resumed since they were probably scrambling to find any trains that were available after service resumed between Jamaica and Roosevelt Avenue. No there wasn't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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