RedLine Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9051 Posted March 14, 2020 By that claim Kawasaki made terrible R68As then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9052 Posted March 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, RedLine said: By that claim Kawasaki made terrible R68As then It matters little, especially since they're already more than 30 years old. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrionVIIonM79 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9053 Posted March 14, 2020 Why couldn’t they just pick Alstom or Kawasaki, bombardier already has a bad reputation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrionVIIonM79 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9054 Posted March 14, 2020 10 hours ago, OrionVIIonM79 said: Why choose Bombardier to make the R179s? Choose Kawasaki or Alstom instead. Bombardier f**ked up all the cars that they made. R68A is getting retired 10 years early, R110B cars burned up and got retired after only 7 years of service, R142s had issues while testing, and now the R179s... I meant R62A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9055 Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, OrionVIIonM79 said: I meant R62A Even by that case: 9 hours ago, Lex said: It matters little, especially since they're already more than 30 years old. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9056 Posted March 14, 2020 The R142A had issues while testing as well, I think the R143 is the only NTT car class that didn't have major issues when introduced AFAIK. The R110B wasn't meant to last long like the R62A & R142, also the 110B's lasted longer than the Kawasaki made 110A. The R62A's are good cars and are holding up well same goes for the R142s, bombardier was still good when they built those fleets. Kawasaki is a tad bit overrated by railfans, it kind of annoying lol. People really think the R142A is a superior product to the 142s built by Bombardier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuseguy is Cool Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9057 Posted March 14, 2020 Really off topic here but any chance we can see an R142A transferred to Westchester in the coming months? You know you miss it on Lexington Local lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9058 Posted March 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fuseguy is Cool said: Really off topic here but any chance we can see an R142A transferred to Westchester in the coming months? You know you miss it on Lexington Local lol Yes, MTA is going to send one R142A back to Westchester because railfans miss it on the (6)... sarcasm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9059 Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) The may be mainly 179s with the headway changes from Cuomo with the 32s Edited March 14, 2020 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9060 Posted March 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Calvin said: The may be mainly 179s with the headway changes from Cuomo with the 32s Well, I have been seeing more r46's on the C lately. I don't know if this is an indication that all r32's will be retired, which I still doubt that it would happen, or the MTA is using the r46's to simply reduce frequency on the r32's, so that the r32's could last longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lewis 1 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #9061 Posted March 14, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 7:30 AM, DCTransitFilms said: My friend told me some R179s were pulled again and some R42s back in service again. Any conformation this is true? No R42. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted March 15, 2020 Share #9062 Posted March 15, 2020 19 hours ago, OrionVIIonM79 said: Why couldn’t they just pick Alstom or Kawasaki, bombardier already has a bad reputation They had the lowest bid, which is the way a lot of orders go nowadays. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted March 15, 2020 Share #9063 Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, MTA Bus said: They had the lowest bid, which is the way a lot of orders go nowadays. I thought MTA was locked by law or something in the legislation to pick the lowest bid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted March 18, 2020 Share #9064 Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 4:53 AM, MTA Bus said: They had the lowest bid, which is the way a lot of orders go nowadays. This is a perfect example of getting what you pay for. Sometimes it's worth the extra money for a quality product. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted March 19, 2020 Share #9065 Posted March 19, 2020 20 hours ago, happy283 said: This is a perfect example of getting what you pay for. Sometimes it's worth the extra money for a quality product. Using the lowest bid is what they must do is because it's the law since the government is the primary payer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 19, 2020 Share #9066 Posted March 19, 2020 What about the R32 contract in the early 1960s- didn't the TA offer a premium to builders for stainless instead of carbon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrionVIIonM79 Posted March 20, 2020 Share #9067 Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 3:01 PM, R10 2952 said: What about the R32 contract in the early 1960s- didn't the TA offer a premium to builders for stainless instead of carbon? Yes, and look how the R32s turned out. They lasted 56 years, over the MTA usual of 40 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted March 20, 2020 Share #9068 Posted March 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, OrionVIIonM79 said: Yes, and look how the R32s turned out. They lasted 56 years, over the MTA usual of 40 The thing is, the R32s have been living on borrowed time for the past decade. If it weren’t for the R44s, the R32s would’ve retired at 45 years. Although, they’re a really good product for their age, it’s just a matter of luck that they’re still running today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 20, 2020 Share #9069 Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SimplyMyself said: The thing is, the R32s have been living on borrowed time for the past decade. If it weren’t for the R44s, the R32s would’ve retired at 45 years. Although, they’re a really good product for their age, it’s just a matter of luck that they’re still running today. Well to put things in perspective, compare the R36 WF at retirement (40 years) with the R32 in 2009 (45 years), and the difference in quality is apparent. I doubt the R27s or R30s would've managed to reach forty-five years in service, not after all the rust and acid baths their carbon steel went through in the '70s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9070 Posted March 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, R10 2952 said: Well to put things in perspective, compare the R36 WF at retirement (40 years) with the R32 in 2009 (45 years), and the difference in quality is apparent. I doubt the R27s or R30s would've managed to reach forty-five years in service, not after all the rust and acid baths their carbon steel went through in the '70s. Speaking of the r32's, I haven't seen any r32's this week. I have seen more r46's on the C, plus a good chunk of r179's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9071 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Speaking of the r32's, I haven't seen any r32's this week. I have seen more r46's on the C, plus a good chunk of r179's. Hey, be advised that the R32’s are not the priority fleet assignment for the They’re now considered supplemental equipment used as spare/put ins. There’s 108 cars available in rotation for service. I don’t Know where anyone got “58” cars left in service. That’s inaccurate. Edited March 21, 2020 by VIP 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9072 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Speaking of the r32's, I haven't seen any r32's this week. I have seen more r46's on the C, plus a good chunk of r179's 6 hours ago, SimplyMyself said: The thing is, the R32s have been living on borrowed time for the past decade. If it weren’t for the R44s, the R32s would’ve retired at 45 years. Although, they’re a really good product for their age, it’s just a matter of luck that they’re still running today. even if the R44's stayed, 50 R32's would have stayed and went to ENY to replace the R42's, since 32 R160's really wasn't enough to replace all of them. there were 2 on the today with 1-2 on the 2 minutes ago, VIP said: Hey, be advised that the R32 now is not the priority fleet assignment. They’re now considered supplemental equipment used as spare/put ins. There’s 108 cars available in rotation for service. I don’t Know where anyone got “58” cars left in service. That’s inaccurate. 3380/81 got its signs replaced and repaired so i don't think it was retired in the first place. From what i heard they only stripped a few cars. not that much. Edited March 21, 2020 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9073 Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: even if the R44's stayed, 50 R32's would have stayed and went to ENY to replace the R42's, since 32 R160's really wasn't enough to replace all of them. there were 2 on the today with 1-2 on the 3380/81 got its signs replaced and repaired so i don't think it was retired in the first place. From what i heard they only stripped a few cars. not that much. They’re being kept around. May not always be in service but there’s still plenty on property. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9074 Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, VIP said: Hey, be advised that the R32’s are not the priority fleet assignment for the They’re now considered supplemental equipment used as spare/put ins. There’s 108 cars available in rotation for service. I don’t Know where anyone got “58” cars left in service. That’s inaccurate. Well if that's the case then it might have been their last trips on Monday, March 16. Just four R-32 trains on the rotation for the morning rush (if that was indeed a "rush hour" LOL). 3928/29-3714/15-3477/76-3396/97. 3841/40-3736/37-3672/73-3646/47. 3727/26-3664/65-3865/64-3857/56. 3779/78-3895/94-3811/10-3513/12. Nine R-179s, Five R-46s and Four R-32s. That could be it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted March 21, 2020 Share #9075 Posted March 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said: Well if that's the case then it might have been their last trips on Monday, March 16. Just four R-32 trains on the rotation for the morning rush (if that was indeed a "rush hour" LOL). 3928/29-3714/15-3477/76-3396/97. 3841/40-3736/37-3672/73-3646/47. 3727/26-3664/65-3865/64-3857/56. 3779/78-3895/94-3811/10-3513/12. Nine R-179s, Five R-46s and Four R-32s. That could be it! I noticed a pattern. On weekends it’s highly likely to spot R32’s on the and potentially 1-2 on the the R179s are in the Barn A lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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