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3 hours ago, vioreen said:

Those that are in CI yard as placeholders can operate on the 

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18 hours ago, Calvin said:

R160B Alstom set 9853-9857 w/ 9883-9887 seem to be the placeholder at Coney Island Yard in exchange of 8913-8917 w/ 9088-9092 (Siemens)  to Jamaica Yard

Add 8823-8827/9163-9167 to that list.

it’s on the (Q) currently going Northbound 

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On 7/31/2020 at 6:36 PM, trainfan22 said:

It appears all of the R42s have been removed from ENY yard, only saw 32s and New Techs in the yard, end of an era...

There is still one pair signed as <Q> on the front, numbers unknown (whoever goes to the front of the Manhattan bound (L) platform there can see) 

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11 hours ago, vioreen said:

Today I've seen a lot of r160s on the (Q) line. 

I don’t think 4 is a lot...

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There’s an 8-Car R46 at JAM Yard. Saw it when I was on the Van Wyck Expwy

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6 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

There’s an 8-Car R46 at JAM Yard. Saw it when I was on the Van Wyck Expwy

Yea it's been there since last week, presumably for schoolcar? Not sure. It was parked next to an R68 or 68A (also not sure) when I saw it? 

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2 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Yea it's been there since last week, presumably for schoolcar? Not sure. It was parked next to an R68 or 68A (also not sure) when I saw it? 

They could be there for wheel truing.  I believe the CI machine is out of service currently.

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So since QBL CBTC is or will eventually be delayed, what was the point of this whole entire swap? Wouldn't it make more financial sense to bring the CIY R160's back to Coney Island and wait for the R211's to arrive to then start QBL CBTC?

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2 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

So since QBL CBTC is or will eventually be delayed, what was the point of this whole entire swap? Wouldn't it make more financial sense to bring the CIY R160's back to Coney Island and wait for the R211's to arrive to then start QBL CBTC?

....For QBL & eventual 8th Avenue CBTC. That was the point. That was a pretty silly thing to ask when you already answered your question.

It's only being delayed now due to the massive losses caused by COVID-19.

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1 hour ago, Cait Sith said:

....For QBL & eventual 8th Avenue CBTC. That was the point. That was a pretty silly thing to ask when you already answered your question.

It's only being delayed now due to the massive losses caused by COVID-19.

I meant to say what was the point of completing the swap. IIRC, the pandemic occurred right in the middle of the swap right?

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3 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I meant to say what was the point of completing the swap. IIRC, the pandemic occurred right in the middle of the swap right?

The bulk of the swap occurred at the beginning of the year, before the pandemic started. IIRC, Jamaica had roughly 5 sets of R46s left when the city started shutting down for COVID-19.

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3 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

The bulk of the swap occurred at the beginning of the year, before the pandemic started. IIRC, Jamaica had roughly 5 sets of R46s left when the city started shutting down for COVID-19.

3.4 at least. 5498-5501, 5506-5509, 5570-5577, 5734-5737, 5802-5805, 5826-5829 were held at Jamaica Yard at that point till the end of April. 

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4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

So since QBL CBTC is or will eventually be delayed, what was the point of this whole entire swap? Wouldn't it make more financial sense to bring the CIY R160's back to Coney Island and wait for the R211's to arrive to then start QBL CBTC?

 

It won't make sense to send em back, the whole point is to train everyone for the upcoming CBTC. That includes the Yard crew as well, This is one of the reasons why Jamaica is 100% R160's in the first place.

also that R46 was sent to Jamaica on Monday night

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Aren't the leftover R160s Coney Island has going to be equipped with CBTC as well? or on CBTC bypass like the (J) 

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10 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

It won't make sense to send em back, the whole point is to train everyone for the upcoming CBTC. That includes the Yard crew as well, This is one of the reasons why Jamaica is 100% R160's in the first place.

also that R46 was sent to Jamaica on Monday night

Your going to train everyone, just to re-train them again on the R211's? It makes no sense.

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1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Your going to train everyone, just to re-train them again on the R211's? It makes no sense.

I hope you realize that new equipment or not EVERYONE HAS TO BE TRAINED for CBTC. 

You have to train the crews on R211s regardless of where you put them. Putting them in Jamaica is no different than putting them at 207th St or Pitkin.

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3 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Your going to train everyone, just to re-train them again on the R211's? It makes no sense.

 

CBTC Trainning, Testing CBTC in the yard and etc. would be the same

the only thing they would re train the crew is how to operate and troubleshoot the R211's

 

The R211'sare coming in with CBTC installed, It makes sense to test out the CBTC on the Next line that has CBTC which going to be Queens BLVD, Hell they might even test the first 5 cars on the (L) as well for future uses since the 2nd option order has some cars confg. for 8 car sets.

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On 8/6/2020 at 10:55 AM, MysteriousBtrain said:

I hope you realize that new equipment or not EVERYONE HAS TO BE TRAINED for CBTC. 

You have to train the crews on R211s regardless of where you put them. Putting them in Jamaica is no different than putting them at 207th St or Pitkin.

If thats the case, then what was the point of the swap. The R211s will be here soon, which meant Jamaica would be full NTT whether or not the swap occurred.

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On 8/6/2020 at 9:33 AM, Lawrence St said:

Your going to train everyone, just to re-train them again on the R211's? It makes no sense.

 

25 minutes ago, happy283 said:

If thats the case, then what was the point of the swap. The R211s will be here soon, which meant Jamaica would be full NTT whether or not the swap occurred.

Everyone is going to have to get trained on the R211s regardless of CBTC or not, especially since it's a new car class. Crew always gets trained on a new car fleet. Just like with the current NTT fleet(even the 188s), crews get trained and qualified on every single one. CBTC is a moot point when it comes to the R211s because at this current point in time, they don't matter. When they start arriving in bulk, that's when the discussions comes.

And "soon" isn't a term I'd use, since COVID put a delay in delivery of the pilots and construction of the rest of the order.

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3 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

 

Everyone is going to have to get trained on the R211s regardless of CBTC or not, especially since it's a new car class. Crew always gets trained on a new car fleet.

And "soon" isn't a term I'd use, since COVID put a delay in delivery of the pilots and construction of the rest of the order.

Everyone in the A Division got trained on the R62/62A class and the R142/142A class cars when they were introduced. This included station and yard switchmen, transfer crews, extra list personnel,  and , in the R142/142A class, selected members of the RCC supervision. Everyone meaning crews that would not even be using the new equipment.

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8 hours ago, happy283 said:

If thats the case, then what was the point of the swap. The R211s will be here soon, which meant Jamaica would be full NTT whether or not the swap occurred.

the whole point of the swap is to prepare and train everyone for CBTC and CBTC itself. The R160's were contracted to have CBTC and it makes sense to make Jamaica all R160's to prepare everyone within the Queens including the yard and yard crew for CBTC. Obviously everyone in the B divison will be trained for the R211's and it would run on every part of the B division for testing.

By Waiting for the R211's, That would have delayed the process. I always said the same on why they couldn't wait but it makes sense to get everyone at Jamaica yard trained for CBTC so when the R211's come in it wouldn't be as complicated besides the R211 testing itself.

 

Also the first set has to test for a whole entire year or more before going into service. And if Jamaica were to get the R211's it would take them until 2022 to be fully NTT which could have made cbtc training and testing even more longer than what it should have been.

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8718-8722 has returned to Jamaica and is on the (E) right now. This was part of the first passenger service set on the (A) in 2006. 

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here's all the R32's that are in service these are rotated between 207th and ENY :

3360/3361,3376/3377,3380/3381,3384/3385,3388/3389,3394/3395,3396/3397,3400/3401,3404/3405,3414/3415,3419/3740,3424/3425,3426/3427,3430/3431,

3432/3433,3436/3437,3444/3777,3454/3455,3460/3461,3471/3658,3472/3473,3488/3489,3500/3501,3512/3513,3514/3515,3520/3891,3548/3593,3574/3575,3590/3591,

3586/3587,3614/3615,3624/3625,3628/3669,3646/3647,3650/3767,3670/3671,3682/3683,3688/3689,3706/3707,3714/3715,3716/3717,3730/3731,3732/3733,3772/3773

,3774/3775,3778/3779,3780/3781,3782/3783,3792/3793,3798/3799,3804/3805,3806/3807,3810/3811, 3822/3823,3828/3829,3834/3835,3840/3841,3872/3873,3886/3887,
3888/3889, 3894/3895,3896/3897,3912/3913,3924/3925,3928/3929,3932/3933,3938/3939.




 






possible work service as these didn't pop up on the (J) yet (3938/3939 also didn't pop up on the (J) )
3522/3523
3876/3877

 

 

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7 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

possible work service as these didn't pop up on the (J) yet (3938/3939 also didn't pop up on the (J) )

3522/3523
3876/3877

 

 

3876/7 has been in-service for at least a week now. Not so sure about 3522/3.

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