Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted January 11, 2014 Share #3201 Posted January 11, 2014 Honestly, there are R188's everywhere. Aren't there some @ Coney Island yard? The first set was @ East 180 St. yard because of the testing on the Dyre Ave. line. I'm curious how much mileage these cars already have by the time they finally reach the tracks for passengers use? Are all the sets going through this vigorous testing? Wouldn't it make sense to have everything done at one facility? Parts get installed in Brooklyn. I'm surprised the Corona yard couldn't have been set up to do this. The last new cars ordered for the Flushing Line were the R-33WF (singles) and R-36WF (married pairs). Anyone know if back in 1963-4 when these cars were delivered from St. Louis Car, if they went through all these tests? They had to quickly be placed in service for the opening of the New York World's Fair, in April 1964. The wants to take things slowly rather than pushing stuff or else everything screws up with this order. The R142A conversions are also needed to be done which is no easy process either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted January 11, 2014 Share #3202 Posted January 11, 2014 7833-7843? Nope, 7822-7832. Any location on the first converted set? I've checked E 180, CI & Corona yards recently and haven't seen them. The last possible place is Pitkin from what I hear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted January 11, 2014 Share #3203 Posted January 11, 2014 Nope, 7822-7832. Any location on the first converted set? I've checked E 180, CI & Corona yards recently and haven't seen them. The last possible place is Pitkin from what I hear. Might even be 207. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R42N Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3204 Posted January 14, 2014 I might be forgetting a car type, but I believe the R188 may become the only train car to stay on one line the whole time. I don't see an R188 going on any other line besides the . Maybe it goes on the Dyre Ave Line during Late Nights a couple of times ( Like the R143 and the ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3205 Posted January 14, 2014 There was one testing (or just running) on the middle express track of the IND Fulton line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R42N Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3206 Posted January 14, 2014 There was one testing (or just running) on the middle express track of the IND Fulton line. If you were talking about my post, I was talking about Trains that are In Service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3207 Posted January 14, 2014 1766-1770 made it to the today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3208 Posted January 14, 2014 1766-1770 made it to the today. it will be coupled to 1761-1765 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3209 Posted January 14, 2014 2016-20 isn't on the it never went to the and it still has a half width cab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3210 Posted January 14, 2014 it will be coupled to 1761-1765 1766-1770 is already coupled with 1721-1725. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3211 Posted January 14, 2014 I might be forgetting a car type, but I believe the R188 may become the only train car to stay on one line the whole time. I don't see an R188 going on any other line besides the . Maybe it goes on the Dyre Ave Line during Late Nights a couple of times ( Like the R143 and the ). Why would they send the cars all the way there for a shuttle service? The R36 WF Remained its whole life on the , Infact the R62A was the first time ever the Got a hand me down set, The Was suppose to always be the line that would get new cars. Usually the cars might stay there the whole life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3212 Posted January 14, 2014 Why would they send the cars all the way there for a shuttle service? The R36 WF Remained its whole life on the , Infact the R62A was the first time ever the Got a hand me down set, The Was suppose to always be the line that would get new cars. Usually the cars might stay there the whole life. To be honest, as a kid I did see some R36 WF sets on the on rare occasions. But this was in the 90's. I was quite suprised when I saw it and was asking myself the same question: Wait a minute.... they are assigned to the , what are they doing outside Corona Yard? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3213 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) To be honest, as a kid I did see some R36 WF sets on the on rare occasions. But this was in the 90's. I was quite suprised when I saw it and was asking myself the same question: Wait a minute.... they are assigned to the , what are they doing outside Corona Yard? When I was young, I saw the same thing. I didn't know the real differences between trains, just cosmetics, wit the R36WF on the was enough for me to go, "What is that train? I want to ride it!". As soon as I got home, I told my foster mom about it lol me at 6. Edited January 14, 2014 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3214 Posted January 14, 2014 With the recent graffiti on trains, I've always wondered if the R188 will face the same problems as the R160 when it comes to cleaning the mess. In a video I've seen about touring the Kawasaki plant, a person mentioned that if they tag the R188's, the graffiti will apparently wipe right off. Apparently, that is not the case for the R160's. My question is, is that true? Does graffiti wipe right off the stainless steel of R188's? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3215 Posted January 14, 2014 To be honest, as a kid I did see some R36 WF sets on the on rare occasions. But this was in the 90's. I was quite suprised when I saw it and was asking myself the same question: Wait a minute.... they are assigned to the , what are they doing outside Corona Yard? The reason why they were on the was because carona had more than enough R36WF cars so those extras went the , before GOH the extra cars were on the 1,3 and 4 lines and after GOH on the 6, these cars were on the 2,4/5 when their mainline cars went for GOH in the 80's and these were on the 4 for a brief time in the mid 90's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3216 Posted January 14, 2014 The reason why they were on the was because carona had more than enough R36WF cars so those extras went the , before GOH the extra cars were on the 1,3 and 4 lines and after GOH on the 6, these cars were on the 2,4/5 when their mainline cars went for GOH in the 80's and these were on the 4 for a brief time in the mid 90's Ok I see, thanks for clarifying for me the way redbirds were assigned to the appropriate lines back then. Never looked at it that way. Makes sense. When I was young, I saw the same thing. I didn't know the real differences between trains, just cosmetics, wit the R36WF on the was enough for me to go, "What is that train? I want to ride it!". As soon as I got home, I told my foster mom about it lol me at 6. Werd. I've always thought it was mad cool to see the R36's hitting up the along with the usual R62A's back in the days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R42N Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3217 Posted January 14, 2014 Does anyone else think the r188 will ever be on a line other than the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3218 Posted January 15, 2014 Does anyone else think the r188 will ever be on a line other than the Unless there was a random disaster that destroyed equipment than no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3219 Posted January 15, 2014 Ok I see, thanks for clarifying for me the way redbirds were assigned to the appropriate lines back then. Never looked at it that way. Makes sense. Werd. I've always thought it was mad cool to see the R36's hitting up the along with the usual R62A's back in the days. On top of what R32 said, the R36 cars on the were the last cars to have the orange door paint scheme, which was used in the 80s to combat the graffiti epidemic. That paint scheme for the doors lasted into the mid 90s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3220 Posted January 15, 2014 Does anyone else think the r188 will ever be on a line other than the Nothing's impossible, but it's highly unlikely they'll make an appearance on another line unless something catastrophic happens to the equipment on the line in question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOPRO Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3221 Posted January 15, 2014 Does anyone else think the r188 will ever be on a line other than the No. Because the 7 is the only IRT line to run 11 cars. Are there some 5 car sets of 188s? Yes half the fleet. But to run those 5 car sets together as a 10 car train on any other line would render the remaining 6 car sets useless for service on the 7 line hence leaving the 7 line with no rolling stock to provide service. Just to cut someone off ahead of the suggestion someone may say that another line could borrow a 5 car 188 set to run together with a 142A set on the 4 or 6 lines. To which I will say it will not happen. One is CBTC optimized and the other is not. The electric portions may line up but glitches would be likely. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3222 Posted January 15, 2014 I wouldn't say no that fast. The R188s will be here into the 2050s, most likely. Maybe even the 2060s. [Which blows my mind.] Entire system will probably be optimized with some more advanced system by then and stuff like CBTC will no longer be as limiting as it is now. So yeah, I'd bet they will at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3223 Posted January 15, 2014 I wouldn't say no that fast. The R188s will be here into the 2050s, most likely. Maybe even the 2060s. [Which blows my mind.] Entire system will probably be optimized with some more advanced system by then and stuff like CBTC will no longer be as limiting as it is now. So yeah, I'd bet they will at some point. The and systems are vendor-locked and are completely incompatible; the only reason they were implemented was so that the MTA could gather enough data to specify a CBTC standard for the rest of the system. This new standard will probably end up being incompatible with either one, although it may be similar to some extent. Keep in mind that CBTC is a lot more limiting than traditional signalling; with the current signals, it doesn't really matter if different signals exist along the same line, because all you need is a operator who can interpret these signals correctly. CBTC utilizes cab signalling, which means that train cars and CBTC systems will be unique to each other. This hasn't been a problem in other cities because no system is as large or as interlined, so it doesn't really matter if different lines operate different systems because cars do not switch between lines on a regular basis. In New York, every line is heavily interlined, and the system is so big that you couldn't possibly hope to replace the entire signalling system at once (the backlog from the deferred maintenance period is still quite high). We will likely end up with a separate class of cars for the and a separate class for the , and 'standard' signalling cars for everyone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3224 Posted January 15, 2014 Just to cut someone off ahead of the suggestion someone may say that another line could borrow a 5 car 188 set to run together with a 142A set on the 4 or 6 lines. To which I will say it will not happen. One is CBTC optimized and the other is not. The electric portions may line up but glitches would be likely. Well what about in CBTC bypass mode? Idk if a 142A is even compatible with an 188, but I have seen CBTC R160s mixed with non-CBTC R160s on the quite a few times 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3225 Posted January 15, 2014 Well what about in CBTC bypass mode? Idk if a 142A is even compatible with an 188, but I have seen CBTC R160s mixed with non-CBTC R160s on the quite a few times Me too.I guess the CBTC unit used the bypass 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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