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1 minute ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

They definitely have the technology for right side kneeling. Vancouver’s D60LFRs have this feature, so its possible. And in Manhattan, I’ve noticed 99% of the time bus drivers cannot fully align next to curb because of people standing in the street near the crosswalk or double parked cars being in the way, so I’ve noticed people are always taking that big step up from the street. Especially the elderly. I hate the fact that the Novas don’t have sensors on the rear doors, the driver flicks the “close door” switch and the doors close right away. I remember seeing this older guy boarding the M34, driver closed the doors as he grabbed the handle, and he tripped because the handle gave out on him, and what happened after? The door closed on him 3-4 times before he got on. 

Is there a specific reason why they never specd buses with a rear view camera? Buses back up in depots all the time, there’s terminals in the city where a bus may need to back up. I also remember one day I was on the B36, two buses traveling together, both pulled up into a stop, first bus had a wheelchair (RTS), and the second driver pulled up close trying to fit his bus into the stop. He realized the first bus was gonna be there for a while, and just sat there because he couldn’t pull out and it was “too dangerous” to back up since there was a crosswalk behind us. We sat at the stop for 4 mins, and people were mad. 

Also with the back door, all those specs are based on different bus models. I was going off the fact that people never wait for the green light to turn on before opening the doors, if they see a red light, they would know the door is still locked. 

1.  Well I find it troubling that we are buying all of these new buses (and I say we because these buses are being paid for through taxpayer dollars) and they all have different specs for the doors. I mean WTF??? Someone will come on here and talk about how the (MTA) likes to try out different specs to improve efficiency... Blah blah blah... The doors should all open the same way.  I've had the doors slammed on me on the M86 as I was trying to board through the middle doors.  It's one reason why I tend to go to the front doors when boarding because then I know for sure that the driver can see me as I'm boarding AND if I have bags, etc., the bus will be kneeled 9 times out of 10.  I had a bad calf/leg problem for a while and getting on and off the bus was quite difficult and painful.  For whatever reason the (MTA) seems to think that kneeling the bus only applies to the elderly or disabled, but I see plenty of young people limping around for this or that or they fractured their foot and are wearing a temporary boot.  

The whole idea of all door boarding is to speed up the process, but even with SBS lines, I notice more and more people avoid the other doors and head straight for the front door. I used to wonder why, but after my leg injury I became more aware. There's also some people that just don't understand that you don't need to show your ticket to the driver.  Get your damn ticket and board through any door and go!  Some of them get on the bus and walk all the way to the front when the bus is crowded just to show the driver that they got a ticket... <_< 

2. I think the camera placement thing is just poor planning.  There really isn't an excuse when you have all of these new buses coming in. I have to question who oversees procurement. We're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars PER bus.  You would think there would be more oversight with these issues, but I suspect that the people finalizing the contracts often times don't even ride the buses to understand the issues first hand, and they should.  It doesn't matter what field you're in. If you don't use the product that you sell or are responsible for you won't know it as well.

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I always wondered this when a depot gets a loan bus from another depot does the depot that got the loan drive that bus or does the depot that sent out that loan drive it?

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12 minutes ago, MHV184 said:

I always wondered this when a depot gets a loan bus from another depot does the depot that got the loan drive that bus or does the depot that sent out that loan drive it?

What do you mean? Like who transports the bus between the depots? Whichever depot the bus belongs to supplies the operator for the move both ways. 

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1 minute ago, SevenEleven said:

What do you mean? Like who transports the bus between the depots? Whichever depot the bus belongs to supplies the operator for the move both ways. 

No what I meant to say was who drives the loan bus in a route is it the drivers at the depot or is it the drivers from the other depot

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6 hours ago, MHV184 said:

No what I meant to say was who drives the loan bus in a route is it the drivers at the depot or is it the drivers from the other depot

Operators from the depot the bus is loaned to generally drive the bus (you loan buses, not B/Os), but there are rare circumstances where an extra run from a different depot will mean a driver from elsewhere covers it. IIRC this has happened with some of the CNG loans, which have pulled out of foreign depots to cover the lines. 

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Saw a photo on Facebook of a Proterra for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. It seems they will be getting 7 of them.

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On 4/21/2018 at 6:46 PM, MysteriousBtrain said:

Now the former LFSA from SBS are with the update. This is going by fast.

5303 on the Bx2 also has the Hanover readout for the Luminator Spectrum; this particular version has a clear color of the destination sign as yellow.

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5312 has a front destination sign bug where the front keeps blinking Bx12 +SELECT BUS, compared to the side sign which says Bx12 BAY PLAZA CO OP CITY in addition to +SELECT BUS.

Besides that, I got on a Nova Bus Articulated with the blue, gold, and light blue color for +Select Bus Service on a Bx12 +Select, numbered 5479. The bus itself was crowded; most passengers got off at White Plains Road before I got off at the Esplanade near Williamsbridge Road to wait for the Bx8 to take me to Boston Road. I think there are three large STOP REQUESTED boards.  Its an improvement over the 5770-5986 and 5253-5363 Nova LFS Articulated buses that only had two small STOP REQUESTED boards.

The bus has an exterior design change from previous orders, and the front destination sign blinks at a different rate from the side destination sign and the route sign; these two seem to change at the same rate. I seem to like how the outside of the bus was designed.

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Have a few questions with why some routes make many turns in certain areas and why they have odd routes that seem pointless. Feel free to criticize as I am thinking of this merely from a operational streamlining standpoint and not ridership.

1. Why does the M20 have to turn into BPC? West Street isn't that far and the bus can run there. 

2. Why does the M106 use the 96th Street Transverse when you could have it run via Central Park North and then 106th vs it being on 106th for the East Side only?

3. Why does the M104 have the odd northern terminal routing?

4. Why must the M11, M12, M14A and M14D have complex turn-arounds near 14th St? The M11 could loop around using 14th, M12 could loop back north on 15th rather than go to that triangle, and the M14s can loop using 9th and 10th Avs and 16th Street.

 

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1 hour ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Have a few questions with why some routes make many turns in certain areas and why they have odd routes that seem pointless. Feel free to criticize as I am thinking of this merely from a operational streamlining standpoint and not ridership.

1. Why does the M20 have to turn into BPC? West Street isn't that far and the bus can run there. 

2. Why does the M106 use the 96th Street Transverse when you could have it run via Central Park North and then 106th vs it being on 106th for the East Side only?

3. Why does the M104 have the odd northern terminal routing?

4. Why must the M11, M12, M14A and M14D have complex turn-arounds near 14th St? The M11 could loop around using 14th, M12 could loop back north on 15th rather than go to that triangle, and the M14s can loop using 9th and 10th Avs and 16th Street.

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1. West Street is difficult for pedestrians to cross to travel to/from northbound buses, and also, installing bus stops would block traffic (which arguably happens on other streets throughout the city. For example, Forest Avenue and Victory Blvd . One advantage actually is that the buses don't have to merge back into traffic). Also, they figure that anybody in a hurry would already be on the (1) train.

2. 110th Street already has 3 other routes on it, and (I may be wrong) but I believe the western part of 96th Street is busier than the western part of 110th Street.

3. It used to be based out of the Amsterdam Depot. Me personally, I think it should run down Convent and end at the 145th Street IND station.

4. The M14D already has a relatively simple turnaround on the western end. I agree with you that it's not necessary for Abingdon Square routes (M11, M12, M14A) to run directly to Abingdon Square. (Me personally, I think the M104 should be extended to 14th Street, and the M12 should run straight across 14th Street and up 7th/8th Avenue to reach South Ferry, allowing the M20 to be eliminated).

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